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So... since I'm changing jobs, and am done with ATT, I decided to get a Droid2 as I'm not a fan of the Blackberry and I wanted to be on Verizon's network.

What I like:

Contact Management
Synchronization with Social Media
Browser
Verizon's network is bloody FAST.
Camera takes great pictures

What I don't like:
The UI, seems like things are all over the place, this thing is not intuitive.
Battery Life, seems to get murdered by 5pm

So far so good though, I figure it needs tweaking and what not. I'm an uber geek so I can deal with it. I honestly think that a Verizon based iPhone would be my ideal device. If/when it comes out, I'll try and swap someone or sell the Droid2.
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For battery life, you need to be conscious of what is active and what isn't... what might be polling/syncing when off, etc.

Go to the Market and get Spare Parts. That'll show you a number of battery usage stats... one of particular use is "Partial Wake Usage." That'll show you if something is running rampant while your phone is "off."

Depending on where you're at in the daytime, if you're in a shit signal area, turn off Mobile Internet via a widget... that'll help a lot. Turn off Roaming as well, if you don't need it... that'll save tons of battery.

There's many more battery conserving tips out there as well... spend some time on AndroidForums.com, AndroidCentral.com, and AndroidPolice.com.

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I just got the Droid 2 for work today. I am not impressed with it and my iPhone is still at faster web browsing and it kill apps running in the back ground is a pain to quit over the iPhone. Also just to delete an app is more steps. I'm not putting apps on this Droid 2 yet because of all the Droids we got in, only a few worked 100%....way to go Motorola. So my replacement is coming in tomorrow so I'll play with it more and add more to that one.

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I just got the Droid 2 for work today. I am not impressed with it and my iPhone is still at faster web browsing
Go grab Dolphin HD Browser and give that a whirl.

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it kill apps running in the back ground is a pain to quit over the iPhone.
Uhhh, WAT?

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Also just to delete an app is more steps.
Well nuking apps isn't something a typical or even power user does on a regular basis, so I fail to see why 5 or 6 whole finger taps is such a big deal?
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Go grab Dolphin HD Browser and give that a whirl.

Uhhh, WAT?

Well nuking apps isn't something a typical or even power user does on a regular basis, so I fail to see why 5 or 6 whole finger taps is such a big deal?
That's more finger action then the graphic Dave13 posted from his iphone the other day

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We have Droid2 at work and switched from BlackBerry. Everyone is switching back to BlackBerry since there is no iPhone on Verizon. Funny thing is most people have an iPod touch since they can't use an iPhone.

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download ATK

auto task killer, be sure to open it up and tell it to Ignore programs you dont want it to shut down such as gmail or messaging so that way it doesnt remove the notification of new messages.

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auto task killer, be sure to open it up and tell it to Ignore programs you dont want it to shut down such as gmail or messaging so that way it doesnt remove the notification of new messages.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

There's a THOUSAND threads all across the various Android forums, that go over and over why ATK is a VERY BAD THING!!!

Get away from the Windows mentality... just because Android has decided to open and keep an app on standby, doesn't mean it is actually doing jack shit. It might seem wonky but let it do its thing.
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Why is ATK Bad - What should I be using?

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Don't use any task killer. That's the newest answer. Android doesn't really actively use a program that isn't in the forefront and most people have noticed a DECREASE in battery life with task killers.

As far as uninstalling apps goes it is really easy if you download uninstaller. Or (this may be a launcher pro feature so your mileage may vary) if you long press an app from the drawer, wait until the home screen comes up, then hover it over the trash can at the bottom for a couple of seconds it will say "Drop to Uninstall". Just take your finger off and the uninstall routine starts.

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Why is ATK Bad - What should I be using?
Nothing - allow the Android OS to manage itself. A Task Killer isn't smarter than the OS and the OS has reasoning for pulling up apps the way it does.

If you or anyone else is REALLY curious why, I can dig up the developer documentation that discusses how Android OS works and dives into why it does what it does.

There are occasions when a poorly written or buggy app might continue running when it should not... I've had previous versions of Pandora do this to me. At that point, then you'll want to MANUALLY kill an app... but auto-task killers are counter-productive to Android OS, actively works against it, and will not offer you any actual increase in performance.

If it's true performance increases you're after, look into rooting/nand unlocking, and installing custom ROMs & kernels.
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Okay, so, real quick then - With my ATK, I always kill shit and it always comes back after I use the phone for anything - Right now, why is Photo Places, Voice Search and Voice Control, On? - I then kill them - I then use the phone and BA'AM, they are all back on again? - WTF?

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Okay, so, real quick then - With my ATK, I always kill shit and it always comes back after I use the phone for anything - Right now, why is Photo Places, Voice Search and Voice Control, On? - I then kill them - I then use the phone and BA'AM, they are all back on again? - WTF?
From what I've read unless they are causing your phone not to go into standby then it doesn't matter. The fact that ATK is running all the time trying to kill services that need to be started and will just start again is what drains people's batteries. What are your battery usage statistics?

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Okay, so, real quick then - With my ATK, I always kill shit and it always comes back after I use the phone for anything - Right now, why is Photo Places, Voice Search and Voice Control, On? - I then kill them - I then use the phone and BA'AM, they are all back on again? - WTF?
Overview about why Android does what it does
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* Android is hard coded to automatically kill a task when more memory is needed.
* Android is hard coded to automatically kill a task when itís done doing what it needs to do.
* Android is hard coded to automatically kill a task when you havenít returned to it in a long time.
* Most services (while possibly running in the background) use very little memory when not actively doing something.
* A content provider is only doing something when there is a notification for it to give. Otherwise it uses very little memory.
* Killing a process when it isnít ready only causes it to have to reload itself and start from scratch when itís needed again.
* Because a task is likely running in the background for a reason, killing it will only cause it to re-spawn as soon as the activity that was using it looks for it again. And it will just have to start over again.
* Killing certain processes can have undesirable side effects. Not receiving text messages, alarms not going off, and force closes just to name a few.
* The only true way to prevent something from running at all on your phone would be to uninstall the .apk.
* Most applications will exit themselves if you get out of it by hitting ďbackĒ until it closes rather than hitting the ďhomeĒ button. But even with hitting home, Android will eventually kill it once itís been in the background for a while.
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Okay fuck holes - I will delete ATK - If I have a bad experience, I will personally kick you in the shins and scratch your eyes right the fuck out!!!!!

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Brian just make sure you don't lock your Droid.
These things require pressing more than one button to unlock
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These things require pressing more than one button to unlock
There's an app in the market that will take away the swipe screen so you just have to press the lock button to unlock it.

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I did used Iphone's and now have EVO, and yes battery life sucks but android phone is pretty slick, especially multitask what iphone can dream about it. Full flash player on Froyo
I can download shit and store to my phone straight from the net, or via bluetooth etc. ATK doesn't work wright maybe it did on previews OS. There is bunch of apps not as many like on the iphone but most likely you will find what you are looking for.

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That was the FIRST day, like an HOUR after I got the phone!

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So I picked up Spare Parts, maybe I'm not reading this right....

Since last unplugged:
Running 17.8%
Screen on 5.6%
Phone on 0.9%
Wifi On 99.9%
Wifi Running 15.6%

Total in all time
Running 18.8%
Screen on 8.3%
phone on 6.4%
wifi on 97.8%
wifi running 22.4%

Does wifi being on simply use that much power? On my iPhone since I didn't have it scan or join networks Wifi being on typically reduced my power usage.
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If you are really concerned about killing apps, just go into settings, apps, running services. Android has a built in task killer so need need for a crappy app lol.

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So I picked up Spare Parts, maybe I'm not reading this right....

Since last unplugged:
Running 17.8%
Screen on 5.6%
Phone on 0.9%
Wifi On 99.9%
Wifi Running 15.6%

Total in all time
Running 18.8%
Screen on 8.3%
phone on 6.4%
wifi on 97.8%
wifi running 22.4%

Does wifi being on simply use that much power? On my iPhone since I didn't have it scan or join networks Wifi being on typically reduced my power usage.
No, it means since you last unplugged, you've had wifi on for that percent amount of time. This does not tell you that it consumed x percent battery. It is an indicator you give you s better idea of what is going on.
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