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Any Corp. Mac Users?

Anyone have a contact - my office is looking to switch about 20 people from PCs to Mac Laptops

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Just how do I get pricing for 20 laptops, and support and all that good shit.

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That is what I needed. Lets see how running autocad is in OS X

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Politics aside my friend i would not advise that. I have a fair amount of respect for the Mac but I would not try to run Acad on it.

I got my start in computers/net admin stuff 15 years ago as a CAD person... As a IT consultant I have 5 clients around chi town that are civil / mechanical or architects so we still support Acad and a handful of other CAD systems. All in all we are taking care of about 50 cad stations or so in that demographic. Most are running on Dell precisions Xeon or Dual Quads with highend video cards, 64bit XP or 64bit 7. The stuff is ROCK solid and super fast doing 3D modeling and analysis. Any glitches i am seeing are little Acad bugs and annoyances. The same type I have seen since I started in R9.

I'd say try it on one machine and hammer the system hard. Look for bugs. Its not that Acad is not going to run on OSX, it's that its going to be buggy on Acad's side becuase it's not the defacto standard for them. You know AutoDesk is always busy putting out the next version and they dont always take time to fix the bugs.... If you do it let me know I'd be interested to hear if AutoDesk did it right!

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Politics aside my friend i would not advise that. I have a fair amount of respect for the Mac but I would not try to run Acad on it.

I got my start in computers/net admin stuff 15 years ago as a CAD person... As a IT consultant I have 5 clients around chi town that are civil / mechanical or architects so we still support Acad and a handful of other CAD systems. All in all we are taking care of about 50 cad stations or so in that demographic. Most are running on Dell precisions Xeon or Dual Quads with highend video cards, 64bit XP or 64bit 7. The stuff is ROCK solid and super fast doing 3D modeling and analysis. Any glitches i am seeing are little Acad bugs and annoyances. The same type I have seen since I started in R9.

I'd say try it on one machine and hammer the system hard. Look for bugs. Its not that Acad is not going to run on OSX, it's that its going to be buggy on Acad's side becuase it's not the defacto standard for them. You know AutoDesk is always busy putting out the next version and they dont always take time to fix the bugs.... If you do it let me know I'd be interested to hear if AutoDesk did it right!

By the way though NX runs awesome on Unix and Windows.. Not sure if you are into mechanical eng or not.. But NX is big $$$
I appreciate the input, but I am so sick of these shitty windows machines getting so slow after a few months/years or use.

Well the goal is to run windows on the mac for some of the proprietary software we need. I would run Acad through that.

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I appreciate the input, but I am so sick of these shitty windows machines getting so slow after a few months/years or use.

Well the goal is to run windows on the mac for some of the proprietary software we need. I would run Acad through that.
I hear you. I'm not going to turn this in to PC vs Mac. Each have their pro's and cons. Competition has been good for both platforms. Properly maintained and protected you will have NO PC problems. My company takes care of 1000s of PCs and 100s of servers. We even have a school district with Mac labs and PC labs.. We rarely see any infections thankfully and if we do it's becuase somebody was up to some funky stuff. We tighten the screws and problem sloved On the server side ( X serve's) Apple has no game except as a web server.

Anyhow your other option..Run macs...And run a 2008 R2 server running citrix Xenapp to run all your windows apps...install Mac Citrix clients on each mac...That would keep you from running parallels...Not sure Acad would run well in parellel. Acad does run in Citrix but probably not 20 sessions. It would be good for about 5-7 simlutaneous sessions. With citrix you get the same access through a browser from anywhere in the world with an Internet connection on ANY OS. You do lose a little video perfornace through citrix though, but we actually have people 3D rendering without a problem. Easy enough to test before buying 20 units.
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A mac to run windows (parallels? or equiv) and running auto-cad in the windows enviro?


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You asked how to buy 20 units. Apple makes it difficult for IT firms lke mine to become resellers. Last time I checked you had to commit to selling 100K of Apple Gear annually. I deal with maybe 20-30 purchases a year. No way could I do that. So I bought my two personal Apples direct.. They were for my wife and daughter. The imac looks like art work sitting on the kitchen planning desk.

If you go to an Apple store and give them your FEIN number they will take 7% of your purchase. You might even be able to rough them up a little for a volume discount. I would hope they have a corporate sales division. I am guessing you would be 55-65K out the door with 20 macbook pros....

There are small handful of mac friendly IT firms around chi-town.
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I hear you. I'm not going to turn this in to PC vs Mac. Each have their pro's and cons. Competition has been good for both platforms. Properly maintained and protected you will have NO PC problems. My company takes care of 1000s of PCs and 100s of servers. We even have a school district with Mac labs and PC labs.. We rarely see any infections thankfully and if we do it's becuase somebody was up to some funky stuff. We tighten the screws and problem sloved On the server side ( X serve's) Apple has no game except as a web server.

Anyhow your other option..Run macs...And run a 2008 R2 server running citrix Xenapp to run all your windows apps...install Mac Citrix clients on each mac...That would keep you from running parallels...Not sure Acad would run well in parellel. Acad does run in Citrix but probably not 20 sessions. It would be good for about 5-7 simlutaneous sessions. With citrix you get the same access through a browser from anywhere in the world with an Internet connection on ANY OS. You do lose a little video perfornace through citrix though, but we actually have people 3D rendering without a problem. Easy enough to test before buying 20 units.
I guess I should have clarified. We're a sales firm and only two of us have Acad and we maybe use it for 10-60 minutes every two weeks. We are only doing very basic edits on small files.

Is there any Acad software that is native to mac?

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I appreciate the input, but I am so sick of these shitty windows machines getting so slow after a few months/years or use.

Well the goal is to run windows on the mac for some of the proprietary software we need. I would run Acad through that.
Maybe you should stop using work computers to download things off piratebay, or set up a dedicated work computer that you can remote into to steal everything on the interwebs. Duh.
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Maybe you should stop using work computers to download things off piratebay, or set up a dedicated work computer that you can remote into to steal everything on the interwebs. Duh.
Fuck that. 1 computer for everything.

My server at home does torrents with a remote interface.

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As Achtung said, if you are a CAD shop, Apple is the wrong solution.

Relative to running it once in a while to open and make small edits, it will be fine. As a Matter of fact, Apple runs Windows faster than most PCs (dual core). That said, AutoCAD is a COMPLETE resource hog, and needs the biggest boxes there are just to run reasonably.

It should be fine however for your application, and NO, there are no native Mac apps that run AutoCAD (I have AutoCAD here as well, and I just run it on a PC. You may consider the same thing and just leave it on one of your older boxes and run it on that once a week for 10 minutes. (that is what I would do)

Relative to how to buy them for corporations, that has changed quite a bit over the years. Best thing I can recommend is to call the Apple Sales Office in Chicago.

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...It should be fine however for your application, and NO, there are no native Mac apps that run AutoCAD...
I know nothing about about AutoCAD but...
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Hmm, says will be release in October, SO... it should be released now.

Glad to hear it! i had it on my Mac when the Apple IIfx was shipping, what, like, 20 years ago? Anyhow, that is awesome, good find!

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I appreciate the input, but I am so sick of these shitty windows machines getting so slow after a few months/years or use.

Well the goal is to run windows on the mac for some of the proprietary software we need. I would run Acad through that.
Do you want to move into the next generation of business computing?

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I'm not going to go into details because it would be very long winded with all the pros vs cons but atleast look into it before shelling out money for 20 macs.

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