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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 12-16-2011, 09:32 AM Thread Starter
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difference, new vs old PC

On the fence about getting a new desktop computer. Guess the question I have is whether or not a new system would make a huge difference.

This idea came up due to two things that drove me nuts a week or two ago.
Tried to re-encode a video from one format to divx and it took a tick over 2hrs on my vostro dual core 2 -1.8ghz system running xp pro. After that I bought more memory thinking it would help, well since it is 32 bit the os can only read up to 3.2 gb. Money wasted.
Anyhow, I use it primarily for web stuff, music and video (not massive editing, just converting once in a while). Not a gamer.
Would jumping up to something around $500 with a i5 and 6 gb of new style memory and win 7 64 bit be a huge difference? Obviously it is better but noticeable in my everyday activities? Recently picked up a killer 25" monitor, so I got the display part done.

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Video converting is mostly processor. You would see a huge improvement going to an i5 for that type of task.

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Even watching video's you would see a big improvement with an upgrade. I just upgraded my PC from a duo to an i5 and it's such a night and day difference I'm so glad I did it.

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I agree with above. Processor and Memory upgrade will make a big difference since what you're doing is all heavy number crunching. Memory is cheap right now, get the fastest and largest amount you can afford.

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I agree completely. I have an older dual core XP machine with 3.5g of RAM and it won't come close to the video performance of any of the i5 or i7 machines I have. Watching, editing, converting, are all smoother and faster by far. I do have an i3 with 6gb but I've never even played a video on it so I don't know how the i3 performs. The i5 is much better than the older dual cores and the i7 is very fast in comparison.

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Thanks everyone. No rush but if I run across a deal I cannot pass up it sounds like it will be worth the upgrade. Damn, on black Friday there was a system for 399.

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check out tigerdirects open box section. You might be able to snag a nice system that way.

IMO, when it comes to computers always try to spend your max. Dont try to cut yourself short. Its an investment for the next few years and you might as well maximize it.

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this is good info! I've got an older POS that I've been stringing along now and may have to get a box to supplement it (since the older desktop can still be used for localhost development, file backups and miscellaneous.)
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Spend a few bucks more and get this: http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html
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New pc?

I had similar desktop frustrations and finally broke down and bought a pc 1 month ago. After getting some advice of different places to look, I stopped-by Tiger Direct and bought a desktop Lenovo w/ I7, 3.5 GHZ, 12G RAM, 1.5TB HD, 7.1 Sound, AMD Radeon 6450 video card, Windows 7 Home Premium for ~$750 bucks.
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Score! Have been searching for something ever since the feedback you guys gave. Of course I was cheap and not in a hurry, had time to wait for the right deal. Today it came.
Dell inspiron 620 with a Core i5 2320, 8gb of ddr3 and a 7.2K drive. Got it from the Dell refurb outlet section. How much? How about 342.00 shipped!! Considering that the cpu alone is $180 at newegg I am very happy. And yes, during the online chat I asked if there were any coupons...bam, she gave me a 15% off coupon to use + free shipping was included. Now I just have to wait until after the holidays for it to show up. Unfortunate it did not include a wireless card so I got to yank the one from my current system. Small price to pay, cannot wait to see how much faster a 2nd gen i5 system is compared to my Core 2 duo.

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That is a hell of a deal. I'm looking for a new laptop if the price is right, I need a bigger screen than my netbook.
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Then sort using the options on the left. The inventory is real time so it changes every min or so if someone buys it. My unit was gone after I bought it. Think they literally have handful's or even one or two sometimes. Just keep refreshing. Took me a week to find the one that fit my range.

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Received the new computer the other day. Very happy with it. Faster startup and shut down than the previous system. Multi core processing has come a long way from my old duo. This thing does not miss a beat, last night I ran a bunch of things to try to get it to hiccup. Nothing, took it all in stride.

Only room for improvement that I did notice was that the cpu integrated graphics (Intel HD 2000) are not as impressive as a separate card. No surprise I guess, the separate Radeon 4500 card in my other computer seemed to have better colors and was more crisp. I am not a gamer but do watch vids and edit photos so I do appreciate a good card but not to the point of spending 100-700 on a vid card. Can anyone recommend a $50 or less graphics card from Newegg.com. I may invest in one in the next month or so. Needs to be pci express and would like 1gb onboard, hdmi too.
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Tom's hardware just did a graphics card review and listed the best graphics cards at specific price points. They started at the $75 price point and listed the Radeon HD 5670 series as the best for $75 or less.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ce,3085-2.html

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The Radeon HD 6450 is a really bad choice. It's worst then my old 1950 pro that I have in my old pc and I bought it more than 5 years ago. And I paid less then a $100 for it.
Clearwaterms recommendation is very good for the price.

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HD 6450 - 368
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BTW, I finally got a new system. It's a not very know pc, powerspec. I took me few months to so a good research on whats good for the buck and powerspec was a winner for me. I had it for a week and I love it. No problems at all and the performance is amazing. I would have to pay at least twice for a similar set up with some known brands like dell. Highly recommended.

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Many have also forgotten that having your hard drives set up in a R.A.I.D. Array(I.e. two or more hard drives) makes your system a lot faster, not just a little bit, but a lot. Two or more hard drives acting as one means faster read/write times and speeds things up considerably, JMO.
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Many have also forgotten that having your hard drives set up in a R.A.I.D. Array(I.e. two or more hard drives) makes your system a lot faster, not just a little bit, but a lot. Two or more hard drives acting as one means faster read/write times and speeds things up considerably, JMO.
Doubling the drives also doubles the chance of failure. Unless you're doing RAID for mirroring, in which you wouldn't get the speed benefit.

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Many have also forgotten that having your hard drives set up in a R.A.I.D. Array(I.e. two or more hard drives) makes your system a lot faster, not just a little bit, but a lot. Two or more hard drives acting as one means faster read/write times and speeds things up considerably, JMO.
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RAID 0 is also used in some gaming systems where performance is desired and data integrity is not very important. However, real-world tests with games have shown that RAID-0 performance gains are minimal, although some desktop applications will benefit.[1][2] Another article examined these claims and concludes: "Striping does not always increase performance (in certain situations it will actually be slower than a non-RAID setup), but in most situations it will yield a significant improvement in performance." [3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standar..._levels#RAID_0

It does theoretically half the seek time, but the write time is generally unaffected. In addition to that most games and consumer based software applications are designed so that hard disk drive performance isn't a critical factor. If you are to the point where you are looking for that last little bit of performance, I would suggest using an SSD for the OS partition as that will more than likely give you a bigger performance benefit and have a lower chance of failure. In addition to that you can easily backup your OS to your Data disk to give you easy restore in the event of a virus attack.

Also, Hard disk drive prices are CRAZY as of late. Earlier this year you could buy 1.5TB Seagate drives for around $90 a piece, the same drives are now going for almost double. I recently had to build out a RAID array using consumer drives for a customer and the 3TB drives were over $300 a pop.

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Also, Hard disk drive prices are CRAZY as of late. Earlier this year you could buy 1.5TB Seagate drives for around $90 a piece, the same drives are now going for almost double. I recently had to build out a RAID array using consumer drives for a customer and the 3TB drives were over $300 a pop.

what the shit!??!

how when why? price fixing anyone?
did they not pay attention to
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what the shit!??!

how when why? price fixing anyone?
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I needed a new drive too, my server is getting angry! I just checked tiger and you are right.
it is because of the flooding in thai land. Western Digital had to shut down operations causing decreased supply while demand remained constant.

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Tony,

Tom's hardware just did a graphics card review and listed the best graphics cards at specific price points. They started at the $75 price point and listed the Radeon HD 5670 series as the best for $75 or less.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ce,3085-2.html

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it is because of the flooding in thai land. Western Digital had to shut down operations causing decreased supply while demand remained constant.
Yeah, when I built Ken's PC, New Egg limited me to one drive per order. Ken had to go back and order the second drive later.

I'm glad I stocked up earlier in the year. I still have a pile of 1Gig and 1.5Gig drives.

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