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Parental keylogger at the router level?

My good friend has children in the house and the teenager has been acting out and she would like to be able to monitor his activities while surfing and using skype at home.

Question is, can we install a keylogger or monitor system at the router level so that we don't have to modify all computers in the house?

They're using a comcast Arris router.

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A keylogger is more of a local thing that something at a router level. You also would have to have a router that supports software being installed.

I would recommend something that lets you see the screen at will, or something that sends you screenshots at a set interval. I think dropbox has a screen grabber thing that you can set up pretty easy.

If your fear is that the teenager is not going to "let you" or you don't want them to "know" its going to be a littler harder. They will be looking for it and most kids are pretty good at blocking that type of stuff. No matter what the goal is to get at the computer you want to monitor.

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^ does have a point.

Getting communication going is a better route. I have done the whole monitoring thing in the past and finding stuff out makes no real difference. Kids always find other ways to do things.

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I think just trying to filter out porn would be a better start.

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Okay. I'll pass that along to the parents. You're right about the better communication thing. They're justifiably worried about this kids 'friend' from california that he's been skyping with at all hours of the night.

Hmmm, perhaps they can set a 'timer' to turn off the router at 11pm and back on at 6am? That might be a possibility?
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Okay. I'll pass that along to the parents. You're right about the better communication thing. They're justifiably worried about this kids 'friend' from california that he's been skyping with at all hours of the night.

Hmmm, perhaps they can set a 'timer' to turn off the router at 11pm and back on at 6am? That might be a possibility?
Or take the computer out of his room. The kid will do whatever he wants to, how they handle these smallish infractions will determine how much he'll act out down the line. Good luck to them.

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why not block the port skype uses on the router?

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The problem here will not get resolved by better technology, but by better parenting.

Tell em to put the foot down and seize all electronics from the kid after 9pm.

You may monitor or limit his internet use now, but when he's a little older, things will get much worse.
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The Arris has some parental controls that you could use, like Chunk said you can block skype's port altogether.

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There are silent install/running keyloggers out there. You can't tell they are running and the install directory and running process are ambiguous. Hard to tell what is installed and if it is running. Creates a log file of all keyboard input.

The one I tried was call Maestro or something like that.

"includes 10 used-car dealers or auto repair shops, 11 liquor stores and bars--two of which advertise lingerie fashion shows and a third billed as a "gentlemen's club"--three cut-rate motels and one trailer park. The squat, brick municipal building is next to a currency exchange and a few steps from an adult video store. The bars open at 10 a.m. and close at 6:30 a.m."

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Most are easy to detect, the ones I have in your computer right now are not.

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+1 on communication versus spying on the kid.

If they decide to go that route, they can either restrict internet access (OpenDNS or similar is free and pretty intuitive to set up and lock down) or go full retard and install something like Spector (http://www.spector360.com) which will tell them everything they ever wanted to know, as well as all the things they didn't want to know...

It's a hidden install and can be configured by machine / smartphone etc. and once it's on it's a PITA to uninstall. We have clients that use it - and it's no joke.

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Yea, I did not want to suggest that because of cost+set up... if they are having trouble getting into the parental controls of a router Spector will be way over their heads... I can see their whole family getting alerts with a video of the kid fapping attached to it... come to think of it, that might be funny.

I say talk to the kid and bring up the concern, they will do stupid stuff no matter how secure you are. Gestapo crap only makes them better at doing stuff and hiding it.

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Okay. I'll pass that along to the parents. You're right about the better communication thing. They're justifiably worried about this kids 'friend' from california that he's been skyping with at all hours of the night.

Hmmm, perhaps they can set a 'timer' to turn off the router at 11pm and back on at 6am? That might be a possibility?
Many routers allow you to cut off Internet access based on time of day and day of week. Some even allow it for specific MAC addresses (but you can alter MAC addresses if you are savvy).

That said, I would hope that the kid is also TOLD he/she is being monitored. If that doesn't solve the issues, then the cell phone, PC and all that stuff come out of the room and get installed in a common area of the home.

All teenagers have / keep secrets. The dilema for the parents is whether or not those secrets are actually detrimental to their kid, or just maddening to the parents. Only better communication can answer that question.

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They dont beat the kid enough.
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Direct communication and trust are two big points and so, these other gestapo tactics are probably not good.

However, turning off the service after a set time probably isn't a bad idea.
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how did this turn out?
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Kid's still a punk. Parents are working on communication. :-)
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If your router supports WCCP, you can redirect all web requests to a local proxy server to filter/cache/log web requests for later review.
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When my daughter uses my laptop, I have all set up so she can't install anything unless I do it, sites are blocked and I can have a time limit also set up. She knows this stiff and can't do anything unless she has my passcode. Don't Window computer have this stuff built in already?

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i agree with the no computer in the bedroom. period, it in a nice open spot.

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I just wanted to add my 2 cents in here. When I was younger my parents tried to do this to me in a way of having a bios password on the computer so only they could let me use the computer when they wanted. Longs story short it took me 2 hours to crack the bios password (Yes the manufactures default password)and they where sol on the bios password thing. Then they took the internet away well I some how had accounts I could use to get on the internet. So why not just install teamviewer or vnc be able to log in to do random checks and just talked to the kid instead of just trying to catch them doing this and that your almost as bad as the police.
If you want to play god with the network then create your router or gatway for you lan, http://www.ipcop.org/index.php check this out as its a linux distro that you install on a computer that your network will use as the router.

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