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Is anyone using any cloud vendors that they can recommend for small smb looking to backup/share all their apps? Or a place to start looking? Thanks!
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I do this for a living but we typically cater to the Global Enterprise Space - What you typically get in the SMB is Rackspace, Google, Savis, etc etc

Huge diff is all of there offerings are shared - They cannot tell you EXACTLY what VM of what Server in what rack of what cage your data will reside - They also "Over Subscribe" and hope not all access at once - All of this is said of shared space for public cloud - They cannot "dedicate" you anything - Private Cloud is a diff story but comes with a higher price

Also, they are not big on "Remote Hands" for any kind of off hour break fix and trying to pin point your shit is impossible

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I've used a few, Amazon has some good options and pricing.
they even have an iscsi interface which I think is pretty cool but it is kinda pricey for smb imo

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Definitely go dedicated for storing backups and sharing applications. How do you plan to accomplish that, Citrix or VMware? What about a hybrid cloud solution for both on/off site?

I like Amazon EC2, but its not dedicated, its elastic and shared. Same as Bug mentioned, they over subscribe. If you need to meet any type of compliance, this will not do it for you.

One company that I hear a lot of good things about it SingleHop.com, Chicago based and growing super fast. I have't personally worked with them yet but I want to do business with them in the future. They give you a dedicated machine and should be able to tell you exactly where in their data center your data lives, charging you per month.

The best possible bet? Get your own rack space in a data center, your own equipment, and manage it. That's the only way to know 100% for sure that you know what you have off site, but the price on that can be kind of steep for smaller business.

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The best possible bet? Get your own rack space in a data center, your own equipment, and manage it. That's the only way to know 100% for sure that you know what you have off site, but the price on that can be kind of steep for smaller business.

Hope this helps!
Or go with a Firm that guarantees 100% Uptime SLAs with Tier 4 Standards...

Hybrid is pretty fucking sweet too - Spinning shit up in 15 mins with dedicated resources but I get all geeky with this shit

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I know some clients, regardless of what SLA you give them, don't trust their data being solely outside of their network.

I love hybrid clouds. A mixture of on site resources with replication to a secured facility offsite. Best investment a company can make. Geek speak is coming out :P

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Key decision points around data control ( inside or outside ) need for dedicated
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Of course at the core, is can you buy and support your own hardware ( and enough of it ) or not ......



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Or go with a Firm that guarantees 100% Uptime SLAs with Tier 4 Standards...

Hybrid is pretty fucking sweet too - Spinning shit up in 15 mins with dedicated resources but I get all geeky with this shit
I don't think any company can guarantee you 100% uptime. If they do it's false advertisement. My company offers 99.9999% uptime.

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I don't think any company can guarantee you 100% uptime. If they do it's false advertisement. My company offers 99.9999% uptime.
Mine does - And has been tested and delivers it - We have Billions in Gov't Contratcs that dictate such - No BS - We have the infrastructure to guarantee 100% uptime - Unless someone bombs all of our facilities simoutainously

We completed this merger last year

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Wow that's rare. Half of our customers are so stupid, they don't have back ups or redundant servers and never upgrade. So when their 10 year old server fails they get all pissy. Especially when they only have 1 power supply
What town is the DC your in? I may be looking for another job.

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Thank you guys. Like usual alot of good input and suggestions. im going to start reviewing everything tommorrow and narrowing down operating requirement and will probably come back with more ideas.Either way ill let you know what direction they go.
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Wow that's rare. Half of our customers are so stupid, they don't have back ups or redundant servers and never upgrade. So when their 10 year old server fails they get all pissy. Especially when they only have 1 power supply
What town is the DC your in? I may be looking for another job.
We are global amigo and I am not in a DC - Our Local Corp Office is on Mich Ave

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Bug my firm is looking at expanding into the cloud based services mainly for file transfers and tracking. I know there are options out there like Dropbox, Box, Sugar Sync and Thru for enterprise solutions but I'd like to know if anyone has an opinion on these or any other options I haven't mentioned. Mainly we need a way to upload to "the cloud", email the file(s) out to the client and track when and if they have downloaded said file(s). Space around 100 gigs would be nice but an option to increase would be necessary if this becomes a long term solution.

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^ you should use Sharepoint.

OP that was looking for cloud / failover in the SMB space where us poor folk hang out -- you can look at Axcient. We have been rolling out their solution lately with good success. On premise imaging with offsite replication and the ability to failover if you declare an emergency.

Good setup for this space, and the only option other than Intronis if you want to replicate databases or Exchange. No real difference between in the two solutions in our estimation.

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Bug my firm is looking at expanding into the cloud based services mainly for file transfers and tracking. I know there are options out there like Dropbox, Box, Sugar Sync and Thru for enterprise solutions but I'd like to know if anyone has an opinion on these or any other options I haven't mentioned. Mainly we need a way to upload to "the cloud", email the file(s) out to the client and track when and if they have downloaded said file(s). Space around 100 gigs would be nice but an option to increase would be necessary if this becomes a long term solution.
Not our forte but check out www.accellion.com

They do secure file transfer and can add storage as well as a cloud based offering

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I appreciate all teh help and still reference this thread Client ended up going with a local server solution and offsite backups. However there are plenty of good ideas in this thread.
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Bug my firm is looking at expanding into the cloud based services mainly for file transfers and tracking. I know there are options out there like Dropbox, Box, Sugar Sync and Thru for enterprise solutions but I'd like to know if anyone has an opinion on these or any other options I haven't mentioned. Mainly we need a way to upload to "the cloud", email the file(s) out to the client and track when and if they have downloaded said file(s). Space around 100 gigs would be nice but an option to increase would be necessary if this becomes a long term solution.
If you're interested in some ideas email me this weekend. I'm back full time so not really looking for contract but I could probably point out some things that would be applicable with a bit more background. You still at that same place?
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Have any of you used Amazon's ElasticDrive ?
Amazon's ISCSI interface offering to their S3 Storage that you can use as a connector to your servers so they just see's it as another drive
I thought it was an interesting offering but have not implemented it.
http://aws.amazon.com/customerapps/921

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I'll send you an email. And yes...same place.

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They do secure file transfer and can add storage as well as a cloud based offering
Thanks bug...Checked it out and it might be what we need. Need to dig around a bit more.

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^ you should use Sharepoint.
Sharepoint, Newforma...those would work too. I'm really looking for something that is user friendly, both to set up and for the actual users. I don't know anything about SP or NF setup but uploading and downloading through these systems are very simple.

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Sharepoint, Newforma...those would work too. I'm really looking for something that is user friendly, both to set up and for the actual users. I don't know anything about SP or NF setup but uploading and downloading through these systems are very simple.
As an FYI, we used Acellion internally at my old company to send Contracts back and forth and even to set up a quick one time password when sending outside our 4 walls - If the product can be used by a bunch of dumb sales guys like me, I am sure all the Mike Brady's in your shop can figure it out

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I wish it were that simple. Let's see what story should I tell? The one about the lady that was using a calculator to add up cells in excel? Or the one about the guy that told me he only had Internet Explorer on his PC and not Windows Explorer? Are you fucking kidding me?

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I wish it were that simple. Let's see what story should I tell? The one about the lady that was using a calculator to add up cells in excel? Or the one about the guy that told me he only had Internet Explorer on his PC and not Windows Explorer? Are you fucking kidding me?
That kind of "Intelligence" equates to Job Security

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Amen brother.

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