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Dell XPS 13 HD Ultrabook or MacBook Air 13"

Looking at these 2 computers.

Essentially I want something small and portable for work, pretty much only running excel, word files and Adobe files. Storage is not really an issue, most of our documents will be cloud based but I think at least 128GB is necessary. I like the speed of the solid state drives.

Most reviews online point to the Dell, which I have always had great luck with. Wouldn't mind giving a Mac a try though.

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Oh and I would not be getting windows 8. I would stay with 7.
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Go with MacBook Air. I have both if you still live in lakeview and want to check them both out side by side. I also have an X1 Carbon as well.
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Thanks, do you use Excel?

My main concern is that my current excel files might not format correctly or that when I create a sheet in excel it might not function correctly on a co-workers PC.

We have small issues in formatting from PC to PC, I don't want to make it worse on a Mac.
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Thanks, do you use Excel?

My main concern is that my current excel files might not format correctly or that when I create a sheet in excel it might not function correctly on a co-workers PC.

We have small issues in formatting from PC to PC, I don't want to make it worse on a Mac.

Don't have Microsoft office on Mac osx. Do windows stuff in VMware Fusion. I do have numbers if you want to try that. I would keep office on office and just do it in a VM.
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Sounds like I collect laptops.

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Well then just give me the XPS 13, problem solved!

I feel like if Excel is my primary use (other than web based) I should go with a PC.

I am however intrigued by the new office 365, which uses more of a web based format to keep things the same no matter what (or who's) machine you use.
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Well then just give me the XPS 13, problem solved!

I feel like if Excel is my primary use (other than web based) I should go with a PC.

I am however intrigued by the new office 365, which uses more of a web based format to keep things the same no matter what (or who's) machine you use.
Whatever works for you. Excel is pretty lightweight. Overall I like Mac osx more than win 8 and the ease of using virtualization makes it nice to just load a few os's up and use them for what they are good for. You can use VM's either way but it is easier to load win VM's under macosx than macosx under windows. Build quality the Mac is very good probably the best
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if work is paying for this, then go with the macbook air (or even a macbook pro if you wanted to pinch pennies and save some money)

if you're paying personally for this it doesn't sound like your requirements are actually high enough to justify either and you could make do with just getting a chromebook and doing everything with network connectivity

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if work is paying for this, then go with the macbook air (or even a macbook pro if you wanted to pinch pennies and save some money)

if you're paying personally for this it doesn't sound like your requirements are actually high enough to justify either and you could make do with just getting a chromebook and doing everything with network connectivity

disclaimer: yeah I'm an Apple fan boy. I prefer to do everything in a unix/mac world. The shit that I have to do for customers still living in a Windows only world, I make do within a virtual environment running Win XP, Win7, ...
Work is paying, unlimited budget (well OK less then $2000 should do). I don't want a heavy ass Macbook. I want light as hell and portable, plus a fast boot!
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Work is paying, unlimited budget (well OK less then $2000 should do). I don't want a heavy ass Macbook. I want light as hell and portable, plus a fast boot!
Well in that case

1: MBAir
2: X1 Carbon
3: Dell XPS

That would be my order. Like I said if you want to see them side by side let me know I have all 3 at home.

I also have a Chromebook prototype. Google was cool enough to send me a freebie a few years ago. Some CLSB folks have probably seen/used it. Brought it to the track a few times. Google was cool enough to bundle free Verizon service for it for 2 years (but it has been more than that and it still works)

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Things like pivot tables and macros don't work in Mac Excel.

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Thanks again for all the input. I never even considered the X1 so I will look into that. I think I would like the Mac, but know I would encounter issues. Like Gonein3 mentioned, I keep hearing about Office and specifically Excel issues on the Mac's.

I would like to come take a look at the 3 but I have a busy week and probably need to get this ordered by the end of the week. Thanks for the offer though. It's nice to get advice from someone that has direct experience!
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I like the MBAir, don't have one, but running Macs at home now. Others are right, the Excel stuff doesn't always work the same / convert over properly if using Mac Numbers. If sticking with Windows 7, I don't think you can go wrong with either one.

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Nope I would use Windows 7 Pro not even considering 8. Hell I would take XP if I could.

I was about sold on the X1, until I read some reviews that the battery life is pretty bad (3.5 hours avg). I forgot to mention, I use the laptop in the field and typically charge it at lunch but I need a good 5 hours of use (the screen usually can shut off for about 10-20 mins an hour).

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meh, check out the Sony's. Better battery life and if you catch a sale you can get much better hardware for the same price.
And you always have the latest and greatest in technology since you'll be buying a new one ever 6-9 months when the old one breaks!
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Plotts this is what I was referring to.

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I swore off Sony products a long time ago. Premium price for crappy components.

eh, there was a small roller coaster where that happened. Sony to me was always great components, but jacked cost.

Now that they have the cost down thye stepped it up.
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eh, there was a small roller coaster where that happened. Sony to me was always great components, but jacked cost.

Now that they have the cost down thye stepped it up.
You've never had to support large numbers of them. You get a different view of quality when you are responsible for large numbers of them. When you have hundreds of laptops from various vendors you get a feel for quality control. Going back long term I think IBM (now Lenovo) thinkpads were king. Now I would say apple holds that crown from a quality perspective. Dell laptops used to be very weak but the new XPS line he mentioned is nice. I like the carbon fiber bottom and an i7/256/ with plenty of ram in a <3lb package is nice.

Thing is the x1 has a 1"
Larger monitor in the same form factor, same battery life, feels lighter (same on paper) full carbon frame tilts me to call it out as the top choice between he dell and the x1.

Honestly it is like comparing the top 600 bikes. All three of them are very very good. I think the Mac is like the Ducati. You probably do too. It's why I like it and you don't. That said I have owned Ducati's and macs and you haven't owned either so my opinion probably carries a bit More weight in this discussion

Fit and finish Mac wins. Design Mac wins. And where the Mac used to be much more expensive, now it isn't. Not in this lineup anyway. All of these laptops are 1500-2k. I remember when the Samsung S9 came out. It was supposed to be the MBAir killer. I bought one at work and brought my MBAir in. The Mac was better in every way except one. The S9 had an i5 and my old aid was a core2. That said the Mac booted in 1/4 the time and ran everything faster including windows VM's. also the S9 was broken within 1 month in the field with a gentle girl user having it. Dropped in a nice padded laptop from arm length at an airport (<2' in a bag)

I agree with Tom. For work windows rules the list. For a mix I like the Mac cuz it does both. My wife has to work via a VDI and they lock the connecting PC way down (so she can't get to gmail or msn or anything) I set her up an XP VM. She connects via the VM and as you saw in the video just swipes over to the Mac to read her email and then back to her VDI instance in a VM for work. This allows her the freedom to do everything in a <3lb package with ease.
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one of my beliefs when it comes to supporting (IT field)

you see a multitude of laptops that allow you to survey performance.
But then you are also surveying a demographic of typically idiots that don't know that you should never spray 409 cleaner into the laptop since you spilled jelly all over the keyboard.


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one of my beliefs when it comes to supporting (IT field)

you see a multitude of laptops that allow you to survey performance.
But then you are also surveying a demographic of typically idiots that don't know that you should never spray 409 cleaner into the laptop since you spilled jelly all over the keyboard.


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Idiots are divided across the spectrum. Unless you are implying mac users are more intelligent than PC users and I would argue that is not the case.

Now that said let us look at it this way

Macbook Air - i7, 8gb, 256ssd is approx $1700
X1 Carbon - i7, 8gb, 256 ssd is approx $1700
Dell XPS - i7, 8gb, 256 ssd is approx $1700

So costs are the same. This means the "Ducati" costs the same as the "Gixxer"

Now reliability.
From a hardware perspective the machines are very similar. The x1 and dell have partial carbon and or aluminum construction - the X1 is full carbon fiber painted black and the XPS has a carbon fiber weave bottom (it is nice looking) and an aluminum top. The Mac is cut out from a block of aluminum. They weigh the same. I would rate the mac the toughest (survived my kids) the others I would say are about equal.

OS Reliability.
Mac OSX is more stable than windows. It is also more robust and faster.
Mac OSX is a better virtualization platform than windows.
Mac OSX has less security vulnerabilities than windows (based on unix).


So with the mac you get a Ducati with better performance, reliability and durability than the gixxer for the same money.
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no no, i meant anyone that you are servicing a laptop for is likely an idiot its the joy of being IT.
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no no, i meant anyone that you are servicing a laptop for is likely an idiot its the joy of being IT.
They preferred to be thought of as "artists".

I don't have users anymore. Not directly anyway, indirectly that's another story.

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