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Thinking about building a new computer.

any suggestions. I dont want to just go and dump a bag of money over at dell and get some thing that might fit my needs.

although my old system has served me well for almost 6 years its time for something new. this one needs to be restarted everytime I close photoshop or I have to wait for my mouse to catch up to every move i make.

Can I build somehting decent for 500 bucks?




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Can I build somehting decent for 500 bucks?
Depends what you want to do and are you gonna reuse some of the stuff you have now?

do you want to bulid just a faster computer, gaming computer, hard core porn storage computer?

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i do know it would help if you said what you wanted to use it for.

Like gaming, media, photo editing, etc.....

I am in the same quandry you are in. I am running two computers on my desk now. One for photo/media and one for more powerful or computer eating massive software.

I need a good computer that will do both but i like keeping them seperate so i can Backup - make dvd's AND still work on the other computer without it crashing or hanging!

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It sounds like your going to be using it more for multimedia. If that's the case go with an Intel chip. If your into gaming go with AMD. You might be able to build a new computer with only $500, but you'll be limiting yourself to the amout of memory, size of HD, qulity mb, psu. etc....


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this will all vary on what ur using the computer for, if it's for gaming or multimedia (i.e. graphic design etc....) you'll need more then $500 (depending). If it's just for a house comp, you'll have no problem building one for 500.
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If you don't need anything crazy, then a good Dell Dimension can be had for under $500.

But if you typically keep computers for 6 years, then I'd build a custom system and spend a little more on it. A $500 system isn't going to be very fun to work with in 6 years.

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basicly I need a massive hard drive with fast access, I'm thinking 7500 rpm like i have now just bigger. and I need a lot more memory for things like photoshop etc to run cleanly. I do not do any gaming, I dont have one game loaded on here besides solitare. I never got into gaming unless it was on my PS2. Is there a way to upgrade the processor on mine right now its a P3 1 gig with 384 MB of ram

I do have some old 266 dell machines I could get my hands on to use as a platform to build on. I'm assuming I woudl need a new motherboard and processor to do those. I would like to go that route and reload this one as a server for media files etc.




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Seriously, if you're still running on a P3, then just do this:

Get whatever Dell Dimension is on the best sale, make sure it's a Pentium 4 and not a Celeron. Don't got any upgrades from Dell.

Order a second, larger hard drive and RAM kit from Newegg. Go at LEAST 512MB, 1GB if you can.

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Seriously, if you're still running on a P3, then just do this:

Get whatever Dell Dimension is on the best sale, make sure it's a Pentium 4 and not a Celeron. Don't got any upgrades from Dell.

Order a second, larger hard drive and RAM kit from Newegg. Go at LEAST 512MB, 1GB if you can.

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That does sound like a good idea. I wish dell woudl have a spot on their site for just towers, I dont need monitors and all that shit.




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Here you go Tony, how the hell do you beat this?? If my computer was dying I would jump on this one.

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I've used new egg to build the one I have as well

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Computers are like sports bikes. Most people will never come close to utilizing all that power. Gamers, graphics artists and hardcore media people are the exceptions.

There really is no need to build a computer and hope it lasts 6 years. Parts are getting better and cheaper, so build what you need for the not so distant future. When upgrade time comes, parts will be much better/cheaper.

My primary desktop is still a Celeron 433 with 512Megs RAM and a 100Gig hard drive. I have no problems editing photos in Photoshop, audio in Cool Edit Pro, surfing the net, watching DVDs, running dual monitors 21" CRT and 19" LCD, ...etc. My philosophy is build it cheap, upgrade when you need it as it will be cheaper. But of course that's just me.

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Want fast access from the HD? Get 2 Raptors and run them in Raid0.

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Here you go Tony, how the hell do you beat this?? If my computer was dying I would jump on this one.

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WOW that thing does look like a great deal.




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Go to gotapex.com, and like Shad said, get a dimension based on a P4. You cannot build a comparable machine piece-meal and still have an OS for this price; even if you are a system builder with a wholesale license, period. Also as Shad said, get a larger drive and RAM kit from Newegg. Do not get any extras from Dell unless they are discussed on Gotapex, which will usually give you the pros/cons and help you to decide whether to get the extra from Dell or go elsewhere (Dell really only makes their money from the add-ons) if you are still unsure, PM me or Shad. The customer service at Newegg can not be beat. The 1GB Corsair Value RAM kits are the way to go. Cost less then Crucial and you still get a lifetime warranty. I would caution you on running in RAID0 in that it doesn't offer any fault tolerance, and some of the HD imaging software out there will have trouble imaging a stripe set. But,if you are comfortable w/ throwing caution to the wind, like TerminatorR1 said, RAID0 w/ a couple of WD Raptors is about as fast as it gets. The piece of the puzzle most likely to fail is your HD (hard drive) which is why I am a strong advocate of imaging your HD on a regular basis. Use the HD that will come with the dimension as a repository for your HD images and get one of the Raptors from Western Digital for your primary drive. Sorry I am rambling now...... just PM me or talk to Shad, he will stear you right.

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Also, I wouldn't worry about Raptors or RAID, a 7.2k RPM SATA drive will be plenty fast enough considering you're probably on 5400rpm or slower spindle, and ATA66 or 100 interface with your current desktop.

Your ROI decreases exponentially with items like pricey Raptor drives and buying double for redundancy (RAID1) or dual-spindle speeds (RAID0).

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A few years ago I was way into building my own computer peice buy peice, best video card, best mem, best hd. And of course a hacked OS. But unless you are a big gamer I found it was not worth it. It ends up costing 25%+ more than a built system that has a legal os. For the last 3 years I have had a emachine that has not given me one problem. I would have never touched one in the past but I have to say it is a good machine. Another nice thing about buying a retail system is that everything works together. When building computers in the past so many little quirks came up with video and sound cards not working with other hardware like the motherboards. For the price of modern computers just buy a good system and use it for 5 or 6 years and buy an new one every 5 or so. It usually comes out to less than 100 bucks per year.
Another note on remanufatured stuff, you have a better chance of a non-remanufactured unit not working. Stuff that is remanufactured was gone over by a tech and run thru all of it's paces to make sure it works. New stuff for the most part is assumed to work since all the parts are fresh off the line. Because of this it is not run thru QC as heavily and has a better chance of arriving doa.
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The Dell and that Tiger Direct probably have shitty motherboards. In my opinion, if you want a fast computer get a quality motherboard with good bus speeds. Then throw a 10,000 rpm SATA hard drive in there. Make sure you have enough RAM in the first slot to run all the things you use.

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You might want to wait a couple of months. The holiday and post holiday sales are coming up.

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Ugh on the Gateway.

Double-ugh on the refurbished.
I've had Gateway and never had any problems, well until my apartment flooded

It also was a refurb and so is my Dell Laptop and guess what...No Problems and I saved money.

But I guess if your rich it doesn't matter


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Go AMD on the processor because they're just as powerful and cheaper than an overpriced Intel (AMD has changed the pc platform with their 64's); go Maxtor with the hard drive or the new Western Digital Caviar SE 16 400 that reads 57MB/s at 7200RP. A good case (though maybe a little pricey) is Lian-Li PCV-1100 (www.lian-li.com). Plextor the best DVD burner and get 1GB of RAM not 512 (the new hardwars/software coming will require this and some already does now). And no matter what, you shouldn't keep upgrading because things are newer and cheaper. Cheaper is maybe a hundred dollars short of what new used to be. But new is still expensive with things like processors and video cards (gamer or not). Get the models under "new" which I've called crumbs and you can still be happy.
If you decide to get the new Microsoft Windows 512MB might be a joke. There will be close to seven different versions of Vista coming out: The most basic version will be called Vista Starter, and will be for emerging markets only. The next version will be Vista Home Basic, which will be similar to XP Home edition. It will include all the Windows security utilities as well as networking support and entertainment apps. Then there's Vista Home Premium, an upgraded version of Vista Home with features analogous to Media Center Edition 2005. Next is Vista Pro, which will be targeted at businesses and include support for non-Microsoft networking protocols. It will also support Tablet PC extensions. Finally we have Vista Small Business and Vista Enterprised, which are targeted at - you guessed it - small businesses and enterprise. The seventh version, dubbed Vista Ulitmate, which will reportedly offer everything from Vista Pro ahd Home Premium, as well as exclusive features including gaming performance tweaker, a Podcast-creation Utility, and online access to downloadable movies, music, and games.
Microsoft will neither confirm nor deny any of this and specifics will bprobably change prior to launch late next year, so take it with a grain of salt.
All in all I know people like running to the Dells and stuff and hey, more power to them. I just don't believe in paying for hardware that I know is the cheapest crap around and yet pay as if it's top shelf. Yes they work but that's the easy part. All people know about those systems is the processor. What about the RAM, the hard drive, the optical drive? These things can cause bottlenecks and basically frustrate you later when you blog your system with software that requires a good punch.
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The Dell and that Tiger Direct probably have shitty motherboards. In my opinion, if you want a fast computer get a quality motherboard with good bus speeds. Then throw a 10,000 rpm SATA hard drive in there. Make sure you have enough RAM in the first slot to run all the things you use.
You write things so purty.

Good advice though. So is wait for the holidays. Ya never know what deals you may find for parts.
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Thanks for the advice everyone, I am taking notes over here. I've got a small bouns coming soon and I think I am goingto use it for a new machine.

+1 on the newegg customer service, someone reccomended them on here for a digital camera recently. and I bought a canon through them for work. their prices were great and my boss ended up taking the tip also and buying the same one for himself.




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Tony,

As an employee of HP and a fellow CLSB member...HP/Compaq would appreciate your biz. Hope this URL comes through. If not check out www.hpshopping.com. There are some good refurb and or excess new deals out there you might find interesting.

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Tony,

As an employee of HP and a fellow CLSB member...HP/Compaq would appreciate your biz. Hope this URL comes through. If not check out www.hpshopping.com. There are some good refurb and or excess new deals out there you might find interesting.

I must say (and yes I know all tech geeks have thier hardened opinions) HP has done really well by me over the years. we use your laptops at work and mine have been (knock on wood) bullet proof. I used my last one (hp 900 omnibook I bewlive it was)for 4 years with no problems at all and my new one has been awesome as well. I gotta give props to the HP guy

and this isnt just sitting at a desk, this is hard field use on construction sites, communication sites, etc.




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Wait, is that the quote from an audience member during the poetry scene of "Bitch Better Have My Money" in the movie I'm Gonna Git U Sucka"?

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