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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 11-19-2005, 01:16 PM Thread Starter
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For you nerdy programmer types out there...

Have you ever had some bug in your code that you just couldn't figure out? And then you finally give up and head on over to a developers forum and start trying to explain your problem and pasting in your code (of course omitting confidential stuff) and then in the process, you figure out exactly what the problem is just by typing it out? Makes ya feel stupid doesn't it?

Programming is fun And I've been at it enough this week that I just looked at my phone and laughed because I think the holes cut out for the speaker look kinda like a retarded kid smiling at me.

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post #2 of 23 (permalink) Old 11-19-2005, 02:11 PM
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I feel your pain.. I'm still in school, and I don't get to program much at work. However when I ran into a problem I can't solve like that, I find the best thing to do is a take break even for just a little bit. Often times I get back into the code and the bug is right there in front of me. How unfortunate that I always leave my projects to the last minute.
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99% of the time problem with the code is so insignificant and obvious that you don't see it because you are looking for a bigger issue.

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Yeah, like when you try to release a Mutex twice...

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For me, back in school when I was coding, if I got hung up on a particular problem for more than a few hours, I was not going to figure it out. That is when I would look for someone else's opinion on the matter. At that point I needed a fresh look and opinion from someone else. Thankfully, I am not coding now. I didn't mind it as long as I was interested in the project I was working on, but when I worked on stuff I hated, it took me forever to get it done.

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I find that taking my dog for a walk will help me figure out a programming problem more often than not.

The great thing about programming is it's almost a requirement to take breaks, because you can sit there for hours and get nothing accomplished, but can go on a tear for an hour and get tons done.
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100% of the time I go to a developers forum I get an answer that's either too complicated or that requires me to edit the rest of the program so much so that it's just not worth it.

A careful eye and some R&R is usually the best trick.
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You people (computer people, whatever you call yourselves) need to write programs and interface stuff that the "people" can use. Stop writing shit, for yourselves

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You people (computer people, whatever you call yourselves) need to write programs and interface stuff that the "people" can use. Stop writing shit, for yourselves
This is why I got away from it. I was writing meaningless boring stuff, no fun at all.

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I couldn't help but notice you used the Internet to post those words of wit.

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You people (computer people, whatever you call yourselves) need to write programs and interface stuff that the "people" can use. Stop writing shit, for yourselves
Right back at you.

You people(business analyst, CEO, CFO, JKO and whom ever else) need to stop changing requirements all the time and tell us exactly what you want. We(Programmers, Database administrators, UNIX admins and others of the type) only design what we are asked to design. If we were not asked to do something we have no budget to do it. So, you get what you ask/pay for.

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You people(business analyst, CEO, CFO, JKO and whom ever else) need to stop changing requirements all the time and tell us exactly what you want. We(Programmers, Database administrators, UNIX admins and others of the type) only design what we are asked to design. If we were not asked to do something we have no budget to do it. So, you get what you ask/pay for.
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I find that taking my dog for a walk will help me figure out a programming problem more often than not.
Actually, for me, it's a break at the gym. Specifically, a specific station at Bally's Kennedy/Cumberland where I do shrugs. Now, to find a way to justify my workout time being entered in as "project analysis" time on our time entry system....

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True though, writing software that real people are actually going to use is a whole lot more interesting than writing shit that just connects one system to another.

The best though is writing stuff for yourself that makes your own life easier. Like I sell computers on eBay a lot so I have in mind an application where all I need to do is pick the specifications and it will go out and list it automatically for me without me having to deal with eBays' user interface or edit the HTML myself. That would be sweet... if I ever get around to it that is

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True though, writing software that real people are actually going to use is a whole lot more interesting than writing shit that just connects one system to another.

The best though is writing stuff for yourself that makes your own life easier. Like I sell computers on eBay a lot so I have in mind an application where all I need to do is pick the specifications and it will go out and list it automatically for me without me having to deal with eBays' user interface or edit the HTML myself. That would be sweet... if I ever get around to it that is
Ebay finally made the use of their API free in case you weren't aware. I've been contemplating taking advantage of that myself.
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I was debating between whether I should use their API to do it or to just build it off of a browser, I know how to do it using webbrowser control and VB.NET or C# pretty easily, so it saves me the hassle of learning eBay's API, but then again I am curious...

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My favorite error... and this occurs no fewer than twice a year... is with ASP code. The shit just won't work. You look through every single line, and it's perfect. There's NOTHING wrong with it.

That's when I know it's time to propose "the solution".

Retype the whole damn thing, letter for letter, space for space. Do not copy & paste.


This has a 100% success rate in fixing the problem.

Do a binary comparison of the 2 files... exactly the same.

To this day, Microsoft recognizes this as a problem, and has no solution.


The 2nd most popular way to solve a problem is the "stand right here" solution. This is where you spend a sick amount of time trying to solve a problem, finally ask for help from a co-worker, then... while explaining the whole thing to them, you solve the problem yourself. I've shortened this process by simply asking a random person to stand here and nod for a minute.
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Briliant and it sure works.

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