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Computer Question: How to RAID two HD's?

I have finally filled up my 40GB hard drive. I think it was all the porn that did it.... but I digress.

I've filled up my HD and I want to add another one. Years ago when I built my computer I foresaw this event and I purchased a Mobo with RAID. I have my instruction manual, but I was wondering if anyone could tell me in plain english how to set up a second HD and RAID the two together. (forgive me if I use the terms improperly).

Now, just to make sure I understand the technology correctly. Windows will recognize 2 HD's RAIDed together as a single HD if I want, right?

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Yes Windows will see two RAID drives as one drive but if you have two 40 GB drives in one RAID array it will be seen as one 40 GB drive. In a nutshell all you're going to get by setting up a RAID array is fault tolerance - if one of the two drives in your array goes bad you still have one functioning drive with all your data.

For what it's worth it might be easier to just add a second hard drive. I was in the same situation recently and solved the problem by adding a second drive. I just bought a 160 GB drive for $40 after rebates at Circuit City.

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you'd probably want to buy 2x160Gb.

when you do the raid setup. if with the original drive, it would blow it away.
you would need to off load somewhere else.

raid 1 the capaicity would stay the same. Can it do raid 5 ide(3 drives min.)?
even then 3 x40gb would amount to 80GB total.
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You will need a RAID Conttroller. Other than that, you will need to decide on the level of Raid you would like to implement.

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Why would you need RAID? It's not a server... just add another drive and you are all set. I prefer EXTERNAL drives if your system supports USB 2 or FireWire/1394. That way you can easily move it from computer to computer as you upgrade, as well as you can easily use it to move files from one computer to another or to back-up other computers.

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Okay, here is my take...

Using RAID is cool and all but it sounds like you want to use a RAID 0 configuration. By doing so, you have just doubled your chances of lossing ALL of your data due to hardware failure.

I'm not a big fan of USB or FIREWARE attachable drives. Instead, I like NAS hard drives. They plug into your home or office LAN and can be accessed via Wi-Fi when on a WLAN.

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My input on hard drives though (if you don't find one from a friend) are:

If you aren't that pressed for the new, mega drives, hit a place like MicroCenter. They have a section of old hardware that has been open and/or is a little outdated. I mean good fortune to you finding a 40GB Hard drive. I haven't seen one in a long time.

If you're ready to live in the now, go Western Digital (they've improved their drives) or Maxtor. Both pretty inexpensive for say a 250GB drive. I would suggest Fry's Electronics (www.outpost.com) or where ever you might shop and compare prices. Go larger and don't look back.

For more info, check out the site to the magazine I read loyally every month. Happy hunting.

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Okay, here is my take...

Using RAID is cool and all but it sounds like you want to use a RAID 0 configuration. By doing so, you have just doubled your chances of lossing ALL of your data due to hardware failure.

I'm not a big fan of USB or FIREWARE attachable drives. Instead, I like NAS hard drives. They plug into your home or office LAN and can be accessed via Wi-Fi when on a WLAN.
NAS Drives are typically more expensive than external drives, however I have 3 attached to my home LAN and are easily accessible by everything in your home. HOWEVER, NAS drives are at NETWORK speed, which is total crap performance compared to local attaches using FireWire/1394 or USB. We use our NAS drives at home for backing up any of the machines here, as well as use it as an FTP server.

I do agree wholeheartedly with MrBusa in that you increase your failure rate and risk doing it the way that you are looking at. I restate, I don't think you want OR need a RAID. That is for servers or for very disk dependent high-speed access and write solutions. The graduated steps down in performance is 1394 (800 or 400), then USB2, then USB1, then NAS. Of course, I skipped IDE, SCSI, SCSI2, wideSCSI, etc... and internal configs which are also usually slower than 1394 on older machines (although not always).

If you decide to go with an external drive, do your shopping. I will beat any price you might find on a new 500gig drive. PM if you do go that direction. I have 6 of them hooked to this laptop, and I also have 3 500gig NAS disks on the network. (No shortage of storage here)

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Thanks for the info, guys. I guess I wasn't 100% on what RAID was. It looks like I'll just add another HD and make it a seperate drive from my original HD.

Oh, and to clear up any confusion I didn't want another 40GB drive. I'd like something larger. I was at Fry's yesterday and found quite a few HD's with rebates.

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as a person who has gone thru a ton of hard drives of all kinds, i recommend getting seagate hard drives, above any other. i've lost so many maxtor and wd drives. the samsung drives are pretty good as well. but if you can stay away from maxtor and wd.

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Get SATA 160GB Western Digital for 87$.
Faster then IDE. I noticed a difference when I change my HD.
Raid 0 is good when working on file decoding. Splits data on 2 different HD's. One file here, one file there. No increase on FPS in games. Here like they said - 1 HD dies all system is f-up. In this configuration if you have 40Gb HD, and 160GB, will make 80gb. This config adds together capacity of the smallest HD.

Raid 1 - fullproof system. Files are copied on 2 HD at the same time. One HD dies, other has a back up.

If you need speed of read and write get RAPTOR from Western digital. Expansive 155$ for 74GB. Those 2 HD with RAID are faster then SCSI.

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I've decided not to do the RAID thing. It isn't what I thought it was in the beginning.

This may be a dumb question, but if I get an SATA HD do I have to get a new motherboard or does it use IDE cable to connect to my current mobo?

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as a person who has gone thru a ton of hard drives of all kinds, i recommend getting seagate hard drives, above any other. i've lost so many maxtor and wd drives. the samsung drives are pretty good as well. but if you can stay away from maxtor and wd.
All a matter of taste or luck I suppose. I totally steer away from Seagate and generally prefer WD, though have used some Maxtor, and yes, I have had WDs fail, though generally find them pretty reliable.

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I've decided not to do the RAID thing. It isn't what I thought it was in the beginning.

This may be a dumb question, but if I get an SATA HD do I have to get a new motherboard or does it use IDE cable to connect to my current mobo?
If your mobo already has SATA plugs, you're fine. If it doesn't have any at all, the only way to use a SATA harddrive is to add in a seperate PCI SATA controller card. I'd say it really isn't worth the bother unless you can get the card for next to free, otherwise just stick with IDE... you probably won't notice too much of a performance difference except when accessing both drives at the same time.

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Chris you want to just run 2 ide drives right? Simply set your original to master and the new one to slave and run them off the same ribbon to the same controller, reference the jumper pins for settings. IM me if you have questions, trust me you're over thinking this.

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as a person who has gone thru a ton of hard drives of all kinds, i recommend getting seagate hard drives, above any other. i've lost so many maxtor and wd drives. the samsung drives are pretty good as well. but if you can stay away from maxtor and wd.

that's funny that you feel that way about Maxtor. apparently Seagate thinks otherwise since they're shelling out ~$2B to acquire them....
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Chris you want to just run 2 ide drives right? Simply set your original to master and the new one to slave and run them off the same ribbon to the same controller, reference the jumper pins for settings. IM me if you have questions, trust me you're over thinking this.
Thanks, Chris. When I decided against doing the RAID thing I was just going to set the 2nd HD up on the same ribbon cable as my original HD and set the jumper pins connectors.

I had never heard of SATA until yesterday when I saw the HD's at Fry's with that on the box. Do they still sell regular IDE HD's?

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IDE drives are still sold a-plenty.

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Chills I don;t mean to hijack your thread, but to build on topics mentioned...

I have SATA drives and a SATA compatible MB. What do I need to do to switch from IDE to SATA? Do I just unplug the IDE cables and plug in the SATA cables to the SATA connection on the MB? Is it that easy? Do I need to change any jumper setting on the drives or on the MB?

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No worries, Jon. That's good info I might need, too.

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Chills I don;t mean to hijack your thread, but to build on topics mentioned...

I have SATA drives and a SATA compatible MB. What do I need to do to switch from IDE to SATA? Do I just unplug the IDE cables and plug in the SATA cables to the SATA connection on the MB? Is it that easy? Do I need to change any jumper setting on the drives or on the MB?
If you have SATA drives and a motherboard with SATA connectors, you are already running in SATA. There is no way to run a SATA drive on an IDE connection without an adapter of some sort.

SATA hard drives don't really need any jumper settings because there is no master/slave setting, it's just one cable per drive, whereas IDE you need to set master/slave or cable select because you can run 2 drives on the same cable.

And, you can run a mix of IDE and SATA drives in your computer with no issues.

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I have SATA drives and a SATA compatible MB. What do I need to do to switch from IDE to SATA? Do I just unplug the IDE cables and plug in the SATA cables to the SATA connection on the MB? Is it that easy? Do I need to change any jumper setting on the drives or on the MB?
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If you have SATA drives and a motherboard with SATA connectors, you are already running in SATA. There is no way to run a SATA drive on an IDE connection without an adapter of some sort.

SATA hard drives don't really need any jumper settings because there is no master/slave setting, it's just one cable per drive, whereas IDE you need to set master/slave or cable select because you can run 2 drives on the same cable.

And, you can run a mix of IDE and SATA drives in your computer with no issues.

Ok, then maybe I do not have SATA hard drives. I'll have to take a closer look. In addition to the IDE connection points, the drives have one outlet each covered by a silver sticker. I thought those were the SATA connection points.

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Using RAID is cool and all but it sounds like you want to use a RAID 0 configuration. By doing so, you have just doubled your chances of lossing ALL of your data due to hardware failure.
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