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post #1 of 99 (permalink) Old 02-22-2006, 01:19 PM Thread Starter
 
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Regarding personal use machines...Got this from lockergnome...
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Quote at the end generalized and sums it up: "$1300 for a barebones PowerPC G5... I can build a fast PC machine for $500 - $600. You canít build a Mac. You have to rely on Apple for parts, service, and support. Letís not even discuss upgradeability with an Apple. Is it even possible (besides memory, and hard drives)? What about gaming? Most gaming titles are NOT available for the Mac platform (which is a bit ironic when you think about the Appleís reputation for heavy video editing). For the majority of people who barely even know XP, learning OS X seems even more daunting. Running XP on a Mac is a great idea for Apple - I wonder, apples for apples (no pun intended), how stable it will be."

My thoughts on the OS still stand. Windows is a clear leader in the OS war/market and Apple should/maybe will, simply drop or make a heavy move to using Windows...and OS X goes to being open source which it's leaning towards anyway.

I'm curious to hear from the graphic designers on my line of thinking that Mac's are mostly around today because they always have been around. What do you guys think? Today, the processing power, applications, and end results are at minimum, equally matched by pc's to that of Mac's. I would say that a Mac was superior at one time...established a base/core, and is the reason why they are still around. Any of what I said seem correct or am I totally off?
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here we go....
I had a feeling this was commin.... don't mess with Biggy when it comes to computers!

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I had a feeling this was commin.... don't mess with Biggy when it comes to comp!
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LOL..sure macs suck...you're the PC god and you're absolutley right about everything you had said.

I guess everyone is looking for reassurance on their PC choice because they are still so unsure.

...so what was your point again?

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parts are available on the market. A friend built a G4 tower for under $1000. Just had to obtain some mac proms. used a PC case, power supply, blah blah blah

the great thing about a mac isn't the hardware, it's the OS and the routines that have been built up and evolved over the years. I've played with MacOS(NextStep) on Motorola 68xxx, 88xxx; HP PA-Risc, Sparc and Intel Chips over the past two decades. The portability/consistency/usability of the OS over the years is what amazes me.

Hardware comes and goes. Apple is smart enough to adapt to what's available in the hardware circles and take advantage of it.

As for narrowing the basis for computer selection based on availability of games....I wouldn't waste that much time or money on such an activity so I wouldn't know about that criteria.

as for quoting that guy that says you can't build a mac, he's obviously not knowlegeable enough to type in "build macintosh" on a google search engine page and see all the various how-to and sources that are out there from the people that have already done it....

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i think what he's gettin is that the PC market is for "gamerz" and he's pissed because he cant utilize the wonderful power of the mac to play those "gamez".

Mac's are mostly for high end graphics, video production, and heavy consistent productivty (unheard of to pc users because they crash every month). Only until the last couple years Apple has targeted the consumer and has tailored most of their products (ipod, imac) for home videos, making slide shows..etc. But go into any real audio/video production studio, any graphic design studio, and you will see macs =)

funny how that works out.

As ernie had said "The portability/consistency/usability of the OS over the years is what amazes me." It truly is amazing....dealing with ad ware, worms, viruses, formatting, defragmenting is unheard of.

As for the hardware, pc's need to be upgraded every 3 months to keep up with new "advances". At the end up, add the orginal cost, time setting it up, time reformating and dealing with windows related problems, upgrading every 6 months....and ive still got my original "stock" g5, which has never crashed, still running as fast as it did right out of the box, and prob. still faster than your pc.

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This is gonna be a helmet, no helmet thread. Neither side ever changes, so why waste the text?

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I think few of you are actually even qualified to give opinions on this subject, as most people have much more experience in one or the other.

I acutally was a Apple Certified technician and started using Apple computers when I was like 7 years old. Now I work very deep inside the Microsoft consulting world.

And I'm still not going to jump into this argument, as it's about the same as arguing why 'my sports team is better than yours'. Too many loyalists and not enough objective viewpoints.

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LOL..sure macs suck...you're the PC god and you're absolutley right about everything you had said.

I guess everyone is looking for reassurance on their PC choice because they are still so unsure.

...so what was your point again?

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This is gonna be a helmet, no helmet thread. Neither side ever changes, so why waste the text?
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I think few of you are actually even qualified to give opinions on this subject, as most people have much more experience in one or the other.

I acutally was a Apple Certified technician and started using Apple computers when I was like 7 years old. Now I work very deep inside the Microsoft consulting world.

And I'm still not going to jump into this argument, as it's about the same as arguing why 'my sports team is better than yours'. Too many loyalists and not enough objective viewpoints.
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i think what he's gettin is that the PC market is for "gamerz" and he's pissed because he cant utilize the wonderful power of the mac to play those "gamez".

Mac's are mostly for high end graphics, video production, and heavy consistent productivty (unheard of to pc users because they crash every month). Only until the last couple years Apple has targeted the consumer and has tailored most of their products (ipod, imac) for home videos, making slide shows..etc. But go into any real audio/video production studio, any graphic design studio, and you will see macs =)

funny how that works out.

As ernie had said "The portability/consistency/usability of the OS over the years is what amazes me." It truly is amazing....dealing with ad ware, worms, viruses, formatting, defragmenting is unheard of.

As for the hardware, pc's need to be upgraded every 3 months to keep up with new "advances". At the end up, add the orginal cost, time setting it up, time reformating and dealing with windows related problems, upgrading every 6 months....and ive still got my original "stock" g5, which has never crashed, still running as fast as it did right out of the box, and prob. still faster than your pc.

just some things to think about.

I dunno...the viruses, the worms, spyware. Why would I bother writing any of it for a cap of 5% of the market? There's more gsxr's stolen than triumphs each year, but it's not that triumphs have better theft protection. If you're willing to pay the price, Mac should be worth it once they get the kinks out in a year or two...no way I'd buy their Intel any time soon though.

OS X is a good operating system...my thoughts are that it would be even better if it was made open source. Apple has got other things to worry about anyway. I see a huge benefit if it went open source for Mac users.

As for upgrading pc's and crashes...that's all leftover BS from the windows 98 days. You'll come across problems on XP, but it's much more solid. The only time I reboot is when I've made an install that requires it or if I've shut down the computer to go outta town. I can run my dvd decryption program, virtual machine, firefox, adobe photoshop, and quicktime all at once with zero issues. The hardware part is solid as well. Upgrading a pc every 6 months? C'mon, my system that I sunk $900 into 2 years ago will run even the most demanding of games at their top specs.

Building a mac? Sure you can do it, and you can learn to ride on an R1 if you've never touched a bike before. Not easy and not a good idea for most though.
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well said....gotta love controversy...

helmet thread..enough said...this isnt going anywhere

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I agree..... both have their uses (or so the PC people say!)
Come on...pc's don't dominate the home market because they suck. It's not often that an inferior product beats out a superior one. Though I didn't really start this thread to bash macs. It would be interesting to see Windows running on a Mac straight out of the factory. And again I think the OS could move years ahead by going open source. That doesn't bash apple or OS X, but would seem like a plus.

On the server side...Windows is at least neck and neck with Unix. If Windows Server X is shit, then you're not going to have 17 billion copies out there.

How about my question regarding graphic design? Are macs in use in shops now because they were the leaders at one point? I think it's safe to say that app and hardware wise PC or Windows is at least on par with Mac and surpassed in other areas?
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nearly every open source software I've come across compiles on OSx. They don't need to make the OS itself open source. It already benefits from being able to USE open source.

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OSX runs on a UNIX kernel, so anything "open source" out there can be compiled and ran one way or another.

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FWIW, I prefer Macs. I use Macs, PCs, SUN, SGI, Linux. I have all running here at my home now (actually SGIs are off at the moment). I support and develop and manage projects in all of these environments. That said, I use a Mac. All of my Unix developers use Macs. My PC developers use PCs.

I have a Toshiba, 2 Dells, an Acer and ThinkPad on my desk. I still use my Mac for everything on a daily basis. I have these other machines for development and testing. For day to day productivity, I use the machine that always works, never has viruses and has far fewer security flaws (my Mac).

Religious issues aside, PC users use PCs. Mac users use Macs. For the most part (not always), people who get familiar with the Mac are amazed at the power and ease of use in almost all aspects of the products. It networks faster and easier to PC networks than PCs do. It can access and work on most any network type in a few seconds. It supports all standard VPNs.

My Dell here has had XP reloaded so many times I keep the disk right next to it. My Mac is 4 years old and can still outrun any of the newer PCs on my desk, and has never required a system reload or virus or adaware software.

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Buy a PC. Period. No reason to have that dicussion. Personally, my wife claims I am addicted to XBOX 360 Need For Speed:Most Wanted. Don't buy a Mac to run AutoCAD either. (but do buy XBOX 360, even though it is from MacroShit)

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Macs don't upgrade well, but then of course, who cares. My 10 yr old Macs can run anything that I have for the Mac without upgrading. My 10 yr old PCs can't even run anything current. Pricing - Buy a Mac mini - $499. It is a great box for the money. Wanna spend less, buy a POS PC and you can do far less for the same money (debatable point here).

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Use what you know, don't necessarily decide that what you may be less familiar with is inferior. We all know that you can do anything you want with a PC with enough time, patience and money. I am short on time and patience, so I choose a Mac. That said... to each his own.

So, you guys can kick us Mac Users because we comprise 5% (or less) of the market. We'll kick you because Microsoft seems to be unable to do anything other than make poor copies of a better solution. We'll kick you every week when 3-5 new viruses attack your platform.

Most importantly, none of the MotoGP games run on a Mac, so there is reason enough not to buy one!

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OSX runs on a UNIX kernel, so anything "open source" out there can be compiled and ran one way or another.
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AND Biggy... C'mon...ever seen VirtualPC on a Mac? Anyway... don't we all know the history lesson of how Apple lost the market share in the first place?

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so selfish..
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Pound enough down, then we can test which OS is easier while DRUNK.

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