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Computer Guys, I need advise on Server Options

Time for a new server to handle general office stuff. I have a separate stand alone email server. This is to replace a 5 year old box running SBS 2000. I am currently supporting 13 workstations with moderate load. I have no short term plans to significantly grow that. These are the boxes my NT guy is recommending. Obviously, he prefers #3.

Option 1 IBM Xseries 206 $ 1440.00
Pentium Processor 2.8GHZ
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Option 2 IBM Xseries 226 $ 2299.00
Xeon Processor 2.8GHZ
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2x72gb Hot Swap U320 Scsi (72gb usable and mirrored with raid 1)

Option 3 IBM Xseries 226 $ 2499.00
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2x146gb Hot Swap U320 Scsi (146gb usable and mirrored with raid 1)

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MICROSOFT WINDOWS 2003 SERVER W/5 CAL $ 895.00
MS 2003 10USER CALS $ 399.00
10-USER ETRUST PEST PATROL (Spyware) $ 350.00

ON-Line Backups

10GB Total per day $ 44.95 per month
15GB Total per day $ 59.95 per month
30GB Total per day $ 99.95 per month


I like the idea of on-line backups. If we go that way is there any real reason to have mirrored raid drives? I think Xeon processors may be overkill too. Is it stupid just to have him put 2 gigs into Option 1 and go with on-line backups? I know I'm just messing with under a grand, but I'd rather pocket it than waste it. And IBM? I have not had an IBM in the office for ages. Are they really back in the game for a small business environment?

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Dont know who your NT guy is, but I would approach a network that small entirely differently.

Is there growth to over 25 users anticipated within the next 2-3 years?

Are you leaving the mail on the old box?

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Always get hardware RAIDs. Your file backup is a second line of defense. A failed drive will bring down a server and make life hell when a RAID array will let you just hotplug a drive and everything keeps running.

I'd personally recommend an HP ProLiant server over the IBM. IBM is overpriced and support is bitch.

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I'd personally recommend an HP ProLiant server over the IBM. IBM is overpriced and support is bitch.
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If your gonna depend on one box, get 2 drives for the OS (Raid 0 (mirrored)) 4 drives for the data (Raid 5 (3drives)+ online spare).

I would suggest you look at SBS 2003 for the rest, he is steering you down a very expensive licensing path if you want to add additional Microsoft functionality later.

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I'd go as far (due to cheap cost) as to recommend Raid 0+1 using SATA.

Striped for performance and round-robin ability and Mirrored for reliability. Raid 5 writes are dog slow.

For cheap backups, seriously look at Lacie's Big Disk 2 which is basicaly 1/2 TB for $369 via FW400, FW800 or USB2.0. But do make sure you store it under lock and key because it can go missing

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I'm guessing you may want to go with option 2 and 3 to make your server Vista Server happy when that O/S comes out...Now 2007.

And, yes...Got to have RAID!!! And, I agree with Shadrach. If it was me setting up those services, I'd go with the ProLiant Server...A piece of cake to setup and rock solid.

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Raid 5 writes are dog slow.
Not necessarily, depends on alot of other factors. Controller cache, disk speeds etc. Plus for a 13 user network, how much disk activity could there be?

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Not necessarily, depends on alot of other factors. Controller cache, disk speeds etc. Plus for a 13 user network, how much disk activity could there be?
1 user can ruin it for everyone. Not knowing how big the files are that they access, I'm recommending what will be better in all cases. The only reason Raid5 was popular back in the early mid 90's was due to drive costs. That's not a concern anymore. And yes, it's still dog slow... as soon as you overrun the controller cache (and 1 single user can do that) you're hating life. Better yet, give it lots of reads and writes at the same time. *CHOKE*

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On-line backups good - Data off-site in case building burns down.

I've never really used IBM servers.
Like the others, They were stingy bitches for parts when servicing laptops and desktops 10yrs ago. I didn't care for them.

Its always been Compaq and recently Dell server at work.

Either scsi 2x 146GB
4 if possible. 2 OS / 2 data like they said

I did see a Sata raid controller that could handle 6 drives. Raid 1 5 10 50

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1 user can ruin it for everyone. Not knowing how big the files are that they access, I'm recommending what will be better in all cases. The only reason Raid5 was popular back in the early mid 90's was due to drive costs. That's not a concern anymore. And yes, it's still dog slow... as soon as you overrun the controller cache (and 1 single user can do that) you're hating life. Better yet, give it lots of reads and writes at the same time. *CHOKE*
I dunno, I have never had a latency issue with dual channel controllers on 1GB segment with a 32 GB backplane. Although to validate your point, most files my users access are less than 3GB in size.

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No, I don't plan on rapid expansion. If so, I'm rolling in $ and we will look at a bigger gun.

Oh, I probably use some of the biggest files. 50 meg Quickbooks is about as big as it gets.

I got the message on raid. I have HP as the other server. I'll ask about pricing HP.

I really want my backups totally automated and off site. Most of my stafff are worthless with any IT issues. They couldn't even manage tape backups.

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I dunno, I have never had a latency issue with dual channel controllers on 1GB segment with a 32 GB backplane. Although to validate your point, most files my users access are less than 3GB in size.

We come from different backgrounds. Our email servers had to send out over 15 million messages yesterday, received and delivered over 35 million. At almost nearly 600 messages per second average throughout the day, that kind of traffic weeds out what works well and what doesn't from a performance standpoint.

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No, I don't plan on rapid expansion. If so, I'm rolling in $ and we will look at a bigger gun.
I got the message on raid. I have HP as the other server. I'll ask about pricing HP.
I really want my backups totally automated and off site. Most of my stafff are worthless with any IT issues. They couldn't even manage tape backups.
Do you not have anyone who does this for you?
For the backups, you could also rotate out 2 LaCie external drives, so you always have a VERY RAPID restorable offsite copy.

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Do you not have anyone who does this for you?
For the backups, you could also rotate out 2 LaCie external drives, so you always have a VERY RAPID restorable offsite copy.
Yes, generally spacy staff. Off-Site, is really preferrable.

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Hey bladerunner,

I would actually disagree with a lot of people's comments in here. I am not a techie, I am on the sales side for hardware. We have tight relationships with HP and IBM.

Let's face it... HP is a fookin ink company...(80% of revenue for HP is in ink not servers or storage) IBM did have some below average quality a few years back and their support may have been painful, however IBM has been changing all of that and they have been quite successful in revamping.

IBM invests 10 times more in R&D than HP, Dell, EMC, and Sun combined and have more than 10 times the number of patents. They have restructured their approach to include leading innovation, reliability and they want the marketshare. I know you are in a small business environment but it translates directly to your needs.

The xSeries systems are rock solid. If you arent already working with anyone and want to see pricing with discounts let me know and I can quote you on those. As for the RAID questions I would agree that you absolutely should do it. Sounds like you are covered on the tech side with everyone's responses, but let me know if you need any help.

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HP=Compaq server+pc's and compaq rocks/ed.


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HP=Compaq server+pc's and compaq rocks/ed.


gotta be wary of those sales guys...probably getting some $piff$
ya i am a sales guy but sorry to say no spiffs... nothing to hide here. i am not really much of a fan of HP to be honest. in my opinion, their engineering foresight is severely lacking. that is my opinion. i will sell what ever my clients want but if you want my opinion i will give it.

servers this low end, by the way, there isnt any big payout or commissions associated with it so i am not swinging him the direction of IBM for any big money....

thought i would offer my opinion like everyone else. just so happens i am a sales guy. so shoot me... ha ha

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I'm in the HP or I hate to say it, we've had minimal problems with the latest batch of Dell's

Get a separate set of drives for the OS

backup/offsite backup good.
setup a rotation then swipe /swap the tape and take it offsite

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I've been using the same IT guy for about 12 years. I don't tend to stray as he generally knows his stuff and I tend to trust him, but I do actively get involved in the decision making process. We do disagree at times. With the depth of knowledge floating around here, I'd be dumb not to ask for opinions. And I do appreciate everyone's effort.

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The one thing I forgot.

How is your email being backed up?

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I just set this server up on my dads office network with RAID 1...
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Wow, I priced the Dell PowerEdge SC 430 with 146 gb raids and 15 user SBS 2003 for $1,100 less than the IBM package. I've got to talk to my IT guy.

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What agency software are you running if any? If you're running TAM or AMS 360, your serving needs moving forward should decrease dramatically. If you're managing your data locally (in full) you'll want to pay closer attention to the options listed here.

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How is your email being backed up?

You would need something like Veritas Backup Exec to get the mailboxes.
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Thanks for the advise.

I went with the Dell 1800 basic.
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$3,200ish delivered.

Thanks for the help.

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