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Okay, so I'm trying to talk my boss into letting me get a laptop instead of a pc so I can work from home more often, but due to the highly confidential materials I work with, I need to make sure any info that is on the laptop can't be viewed should my laptop be stolen. From what I understand, there is a way to have my laptop set up so that it is only able to be unlocked with my fingerprint. Does anyone know about this? Is it really as secure as I'm led to believe or is there software that can be inserted into the puter that will allow someone to bypass the fingerprint scan?

Or... does anyone know of any way to have a laptop and be able to lock all the files so that no one can break in?

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newer laptops come with biometric scanners built in, but if you think that would keep anyone with half a brain from getting your data you're crazy. best defense is a good offense. Dont leave your laptop unattended.

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I got one of the new Thinkpads from IBM with the biometrics in it and it is really sweet. Anything can be gotten around but the biometrics makes it very hard to get into, they put a secure folder that is encrypted and will only open with your finger print. Very nice for super confidential things.

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Encrypt the entire hard drive with a product like Pointsec and use a smart card for logins.

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Encrypt the entire hard drive with a product like Pointsec and use a smart card for logins.
THIS is very secure.

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newer laptops come with biometric scanners built in, but if you think that would keep anyone with half a brain from getting your data you're crazy. best defense is a good offense. Dont leave your laptop unattended.
I don't have any intentions of leaving my laptop somewhere unattended. My concern is if my house or car gets broken into. I normally leave my current laptop in my trunk when I have to leave it in my car, but it doesn't have anything confidential on it, so it's not as big of a deal.

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Encrypt the entire hard drive with a product like Pointsec and use a smart card for logins.

Thanks, I will check into this stuff.

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Encrypt the entire hard drive with a product like Pointsec and use a smart card for logins.
I'm not familiar with this but won't you be completely fucked if you lose a smart card? Or there's a back up for the decryption key?

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dont leave your laptop in your trunk. the temperature extremes in that environment are not very good for it.

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Remote into your work computer. That way you don't have any important files stored locally.

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Remote into your work computer. That way you don't have any important files stored locally.

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That and use a strong encrypted filesystem. Best of both worlds because something is bound to be stored locally that would be sensitive (even simple emails).

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Why would anything be stored locally? In an RDP session, you're not pulling anything down (mail or otherwise). I understand the second layer of protection (encryption) but I was under the impression that RDP was pretty foolproof with respect to data integrity.

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I'm not familiar with this but won't you be completely fucked if you lose a smart card? Or there's a back up for the decryption key?
Yes a smart card is a bit of a PITA. You would need a key genertation system setup somewhere such as back at the office.

Same for the encryption. You would need a key recovery system setup somewhere as well.

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Why would anything be stored locally? In an RDP session, you're not pulling anything down (mail or otherwise). I understand the second layer of protection (encryption) but I was under the impression that RDP was pretty foolproof with respect to data integrity.

I've been wrong lots of times before though.
You're right.

A secured VPN tunnel into a business desktop is a better way to go then to copy the confidential files to a local system that is removed from the location.

RDP is not fool proof, I would only connect to remote systems over a secured tunnel.

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You're right.

A secured VPN tunnel into a business desktop is a better way to go then to copy the confidential files to a local system that is removed from the location.

RDP is not fool proof, I would only connect to remote systems over a secured tunnel.
Depending on what/where you are and how you're set up, some people may use a local web browser over VPN and local email clients which can also pull down sensitive information and store them locally (browser cache, email files).

This is why RDP (or VNC) over SSH (prefered) or VPN (or both) along with an encrypted file system (the whole freaking file system) is a good bet.

Noting that nothing is ever 100% secure from everything, you try to make it more trouble than its worth for the perps so that the worst thing that happens is they reformat the HD out of frustration so they can dump the unit on CL's or part it out.

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The problem with a corporate laptop is that if a hacker gets ahold of it they can use it to break into (or try to at least) your corporate network. If the whole drive it encrypted then its not much use to them.

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Lori - that's what I do for a living!!!! I work for Pointsec, this is our specialty. PM me with any questions but Pointsec is definitely the way to go
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dont leave your laptop in your trunk. the temperature extremes in that environment are not very good for it.
yeah, the hard drive makes funny sounds when you take it out and start it up after a night of cold winter!
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I would think if stolen they won't return it but toss it because they can't crack it, right?

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Lori - that's what I do for a living!!!! I work for Pointsec, this is our specialty. PM me with any questions but Pointsec is definitely the way to go

WTF?? Since when? Damn... I didn't know that! lol. I'll shoot you an email in a sec here and see what you recommend... I just talked to the big cheese about this and he is kinda open to the idea if we can make it secure... or somewhat secure...

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WTF?? Since when? Damn... I didn't know that! lol. I'll shoot you an email in a sec here and see what you recommend... I just talked to the big cheese about this and he is kinda open to the idea if we can make it secure... or somewhat secure...
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Okay, so I'm trying to talk my boss into letting me get a laptop instead of a pc so I can work from home more often, but due to the highly confidential materials I work with, I need to make sure any info that is on the laptop can't be viewed should my laptop be stolen. From what I understand, there is a way to have my laptop set up so that it is only able to be unlocked with my fingerprint. Does anyone know about this? Is it really as secure as I'm led to believe or is there software that can be inserted into the puter that will allow someone to bypass the fingerprint scan?

Or... does anyone know of any way to have a laptop and be able to lock all the files so that no one can break in?

Thanks in advance!!


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If their productivity dips, they get fired
I'm sure that does wonders for morale. LOL

Pointsec... I think my Dad has used that for years now (First Chicago, BankOne, Chase, JP Morgan)... black, blue, and red key chain thing, right? If it's the same thing I'm thinking of those may be some good companies to mention.

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I work for DoD clients and I work from a laptop. I can't take a piss on base without flashing my ID badge, but I can work from my company (not gov't) laptop all the live-long day. Do'nt see why the laptop should be a problem for you.

Don't know what business you're in but if you have clients/customers using laptops actually benefits them because you are more mobile and able to attend to their needs. Developing a laptop security protocol for the company benefits you and the other employees because as a whole you will all look more responsive.
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newer laptops come with biometric scanners built in, but if you think that would keep anyone with half a brain from getting your data you're crazy. best defense is a good offense. Dont leave your laptop unattended.
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If I get your laptop...and the data is unencrypted. I now own that data. Not leaving it laying around and encryption are the only ways to offer any real protection.
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Thanks for the advice everyone! I'm checking into the PointSec stuff... Thanks Michelle!!!

ill_ag- The stuff I would have on the laptop is basically anything you could possibly need to know about the corporate officers... name, social, dob, employment history, educational history, residential history, full family info and also full financial information (bank info, including account #'s, tax returns, stocks, bonds, mortgage info, etc) ... Basically, I know more about the officers and their families than they do... if someone got the laptop, then they could very easily steal their identities and destroy their lives... My office is freaking Ft. Knox! lol... Oh yeah, I have all the corporate info too, but not so concerned about all that...

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Most newer laptops have a drive lock feature...pretty much you put a password in the bios for the Hard drive, and if someone boots the PC a password screen pops up before you can boot it.

I work at a hospital (lots of confid information) and it's a major deal here...our IS dept has even tried removing the hd and putting it into another pc and the hd still cannot be read.
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Most newer laptops have a drive lock feature...pretty much you put a password in the bios for the Hard drive, and if someone boots the PC a password screen pops up before you can boot it.

I work at a hospital (lots of confid information) and it's a major deal here...our IS dept has even tried removing the hd and putting it into another pc and the hd still cannot be read.
You can get software where all you have to do is pop in a CD and it will bypass the password screen.

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