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GEEKS UNITE!!!! help me figure why this freaking HD is messing up please

got this NEW seagate SATA/300 "this is a barracuda 3,5 internal HD" its a 400g internal drive

installed it via WINDOWS and labeled it, formatted it, etc ALL was fine!

transfer over from EITHER ONE of my EXTERNAL firewire 400 drives some differant sized files.

10g
20g
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100g

ALL IS FINE.


but when i transfer this 200g folder full of MP3's the transfer stalls anywhere around 3-9 gig into it.

this happened on both drives trying to get it to take it.

called and dealt with seagate and they had me download SEATOOLS, which has a bad sector read/fixer uper/ what ever.

IF IT says its PASS, then its GOOD TO GO!


WRONG! its still doing it, and i don't get it, i called them back and they said something must be wrong internally.

is this a common thing or is there something else you guys can think of thats causing this issue and the DRIVE is good.

i got a decent deal on it, and rather not send it back.



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p.s. i even tried the shitty software they give you, and i retired after doing that crap and still the same issue.



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try cutting the 200g in half and doing 2 transfers of 100g each

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try cutting the 200g in half and doing 2 transfers of 100g each
you know i thought about that, BUT WHY?

i mean is it that common that hard drives cant transfer that much?

both my external LaCie 500g drives i transfered the file back and forth 2 times just to make sure the file was ok.



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No, that's not common. It sounds like Windows / interface / driver problem, not HDD problem.

Many drives today have multiple interfaces, if it has a Firewire or USB2 ports - try using them.

If not - check that you have the latest drivers for your motherboard and run Windows Update. I can't promise that it will help, but it might.

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One thing... Do you have any foreign MP3? Sometimes, when files are named in non-English chars (or file names are too long and weird), it may cause problems like you describe.

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One thing... Do you have any foreign MP3? Sometimes, when files are named in non-English chars (or file names are too long and weird), it may cause problems like you describe.
who knows, i got like 300gigs of music.



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I agree w/ Fracker, I think the filename thing (mixed case collision OR special 'illegal' characters on the destination) might be the culprit.

What 'format' is the new seagate? NTFS? Fat32? Fat16?

Sometimes these things come formatted as FAT16 (icky icky poo)

Formatting as NTFS (or FAT32) should solve it if that is indeed the cause.

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+1 on checking the format of the new hdd. If it's a big file saved on a NTFS drive, you won't be able to copy it to a FAT drive. I think 2GB and larger files will give you problems copying from NTFS to FAT32.

Make sure both drives are the same format, use NTFS to avoid this problem. I just got a 1TB external drive that was formatted as a FAT32 and stupid me didn't check that first, so I couldn't copy files over 2GB to it from my 320GB NTFS internal drive.

Not saying this is your issue, but it's something to check. Doesn't really explain how you were able to copy the other files that were rather large though.

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Why not just clone the mp3 onto the segate. Might have a bad song in the mp3 folder which is causing it. When it stops or hangs do you notice what song its on try doing every thing after that particular song
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who knows, i got like 300gigs of music.
I would recommend the following course of action for now, then:

1) Check drive format as others suggested, it must be NTFS. If not - reformat.

2) If it's still not working and the drive has interfaces other than SATA - try them.

3) Still not working? Might want to try and update the drivers I mentioned before or go to step 4.

4) That's, of course, cumbersome, but you might wanna try selecting a bunches of directories from your 300Gb folder and copy them, set by set until you get an error. This way you can narrow it down to a particular directory.

5) Ah... just another thing, but that may take quite a while, you might want to leave it running overnight. Open a console (Start->Run->cmd.exe) and type in the following where you should use appropriate drive letter instead of X:.

chkdsk X: >> C:\chkdsk.log 2>&1

use it to check the SOURCE disk that you are copying from (where you have the 300Gb of MP3s), not the new disk - it is possible that the problem is in the directory you are trying to copy, not in the destination HDD.

This will run a disk check and create a log file in the root of disk C:. I don't know how long is it going to take, but it may take hours... Post the log file here.

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I agree with fracker...It's a windows bullshit issue (Why I'm in Atlanta now) Get one of us geeks over to help you... If anyone want's money let me know and I'll do it for free(send me a PM), but won't be until late next week.

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I'm not entirely convinced this is a Windows issue. I'd say it is a driver / file name issue. Could be also the hardware issue. OS is the last to blame.

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doubtful it's a filename issue as he says he's already copying those files between his computer and other external hard drives.

update drivers and/or try a different cable
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thanks for the help guys.

yep aLL drives are in NTFS

also from a good resource transferring this much data in a WINDOWS operating system could be the problem ever though i got a decent computer

PENT4 , 3gig processor, and 1.5 gig sdram.

i guess he was saying the overhead in windows to buffer between my external drives "firewire 400" into the computer through the mother board and out a sata takes a over head thats high.

if i was doing fine with 100 gig transfers then the drive is good, and its a windows operating system hogging memory to TRY and move that 200g folder.

if this is correct, and all hold true.

i dont mind breaking down the folder into smaller size folders.



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Try using XCOPY or Robocopy commands, or look for a multi-threaded file copy tool online. AllwaySync might be overkill but is much more powerful.

Personally I wouldn't try copying over 100GB in one pass, like I said before: copy it all in smaller chunks. Start small and then increase the group size until either your done or it bombs out.

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300 gigs of music...
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And no one but me thinks that is a little odd...

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300 gigs of music...
Ken...
And no one but me thinks that is a little odd...
Music is a code word for pr0n. Make sense now
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300GB... what bitrate are your mp3s?
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And no one but me thinks that is a little odd...



Hell I got 5500+ mp3's (around 520ish CDs) and thats only 30GB.
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most all the music is 192 rate



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Maybe he confused mpgs with mp3s

they sound similar...

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so far i split the file into 2 parts, 1 is 126 the other is 74

the 126g file is almost done. then ill load the other part.

IF its a bad file in there and it hangs up ill note it down and try again.

it it doesnt then i am just gonna keep loading stuff till the drive is full.

i am thinking if it takes everything till the drive is full.
there is something going on with windows fucking it up on a external route of
eternal firewire/through the computer/into the sata internal drive, that this much of a file will cause issues.

cause if a drive is bad, then the drive is bad, if it wont fill up and hangs somewhere when it gets almost full, the drive is bad, if it fills up just fine with 100g file trasfers and it all goes fine. its must be a windows over head issue



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well it took both files, and another 5 gig file fine. time to dump another hundo in there and see if it chokes.



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time to dump another hundo in there and see if it chokes.
I've heard that exact phrase from WSE on Manheim road




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