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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 09-04-2007, 09:37 AM Thread Starter
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Anyone have any experience with barracuda networks spam box? If not what spam solutions are you guys running? I need to upgrade and im looking for suggestions
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post #2 of 26 (permalink) Old 09-04-2007, 09:48 AM
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Are you open to the possibility of a 3rd party acting as a shield and doing that work for you before it ever gets to your network and servers, or do you want to run your own boxes for this? I ask because some people don't mind delegating MX to others for this purpose, while some want to hold onto that themselves.

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How large is your 'enterprise'?

As Arch suggests, look into Postini or MessageLabs. Most of my clients are outsourcing email 'cleansing' and are very happy with it.

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post #4 of 26 (permalink) Old 09-04-2007, 09:51 AM Thread Starter
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id prefer to have the tasks done in house. thought about delegating out but i want to keep it in house atm.
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post #5 of 26 (permalink) Old 09-04-2007, 10:24 AM
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We are using Postini here at our firm. We have around 3,000 users.

I put in GFI's mail essential at the last firm I worked at. We has about 250 users there. The hardware and software was kept on site.

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cool thanks guys. i'll check these out.
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Check out NetIQ's mail marshall program too- good reporting and archiving, and integration with active directory for group or user based policies.

You can put the box outside or inside your DMZ or firewall- I placed it inside the firewall on its own DMZ (and dual homed the server) and never had any security issues using a policy on the firewall for SMTP only traffic flowing into that DMZ.

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I am so sick of spam.... Sorry to hi-jack but any suggestions for a small site I host myself? Spam Assassin is not coming close. Is it possible/best to outsource a few personal accounts?
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I am so sick of spam.... Sorry to hi-jack but any suggestions for a small site I host myself? Spam Assassin is not coming close. Is it possible/best to outsource a few personal accounts?
Several companies are now doing perimeter email protection.

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I know nothing about this kind of stuff, but my company uses Postini and I never get spam stuff. Ocassionally an email I need pops up in there, but it gives me a email saying I've got crap to clean out in there. I'd recommend it, though I know nothing of the technical side on it.
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we have about 500 users and just switched from Microsoft E-Mail Services (originally Frontbridge, then Sprint E-Mail Services, then MS) to a Barracuda E-Mail appliance. Thing is pretty nice. Only issue for us is that it's a single point of failure. If it goes down we have to bypass it and trust the built in spam/virus protection of our E-Mail Server (Kerio Mail Server). Not a huge deal for us. It's SO nice to have it in house again because Sprint's service SUCKED. Simple shit that you can fix in a few minutes by looking at the logs would take Sprint weeks. We actually ran our Mail through the Barracuda and then to our Sprint E-Mail Service and Sprint wasn't catching anything that the Barracuda let pass (maybe a few here and there). Very easy to work with and to adjust to your needs.

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Also they let you try it for a month for free. We even got them to extend it to 60 days.

My name is JB, people call me JB

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It always comes down to how much load can your throw at an appliance before it starts melting or you need a new one. (IE: How much work can it do in a day).

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e.Filtering! You know you want it!!

(seriously though, Appriver is the bees knees - we just pulled out a Barracuda and smashed it into little pieces b/c of all the suckery)

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we just pulled out a Barracuda and smashed it into little pieces b/c of all the suckery)

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What were the issues with the Barracuda?

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When either can do over 1K messages a second (average of 81 million messages inbound, 86,400 seconds in the day rejecting 73 million emails as crap spam) without even breaking a sweat, let me know. (that was a light day too due to the holiday).

This is why I asked earlier if you were at the point of considering letting a 3rd party handle that or not. At some point, the volume and cost to deal with it in house reaches a point where dealing with it is counter productive to one's business.

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When either can do over 1K messages a second (average of 81 million messages inbound, 86,400 seconds in the day rejecting 73 million emails as crap spam) without even breaking a sweat, let me know. (that was a light day too due to the holiday).
I'm guessing UICSUX's volume is not quite that much.

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(seriously though, Appriver is the bees knees - we just pulled out a Barracuda and smashed it into little pieces b/c of all the suckery)

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When either can do over 1K messages a second (average of 81 million messages inbound, 86,400 seconds in the day rejecting 73 million emails as crap spam) without even breaking a sweat, let me know. (that was a light day too due to the holiday).

This is why I asked earlier if you were at the point of considering letting a 3rd party handle that or not. At some point, the volume and cost to deal with it in house reaches a point where dealing with it is counter productive to one's business.
my volume isn't even close to that. at most 500 inbound an hour. i understand where you are coming from though. should have stated how big a company im working with
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my volume isn't even close to that. at most 500 inbound an hour. i understand where you are coming from though. should have stated how big a company im working with
Understood, but keep in mind:

Even if your company is not large, the inbound rate can eventually tie up your bandwidth like a hairball in a sink. Spam has never been decreasing in volume over the past 13 years.... With dictionary attacks and other interesting techniques increasing with sophistication it's something to keep in mind. I do hope you find a good fit for the relief you're looking for because it is an annoying problem to say the least.

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I didn't read the entire post but we use Postini here and it does a great job: User base - over 5K, inbound messages - almost 6million per day (mostly spam).

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Understood, but keep in mind:

Even if your company is not large, the inbound rate can eventually tie up your bandwidth like a hairball in a sink. Spam has never been decreasing in volume over the past 13 years.... With dictionary attacks and other interesting techniques increasing with sophistication it's something to keep in mind. I do hope you find a good fit for the relief you're looking for because it is an annoying problem to say the least.

A HUGE +1 on the bandwidth consideration. You have to take that into account if you're switching from an internet based scanning solution to one that you're hosting.

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my volume isn't even close to that. at most 500 inbound an hour. i understand where you are coming from though. should have stated how big a company im working with
Well, we use to sell a lot of this when it was hot but IDP and such has somewhat tapered off as a product set - I have many clients that use Postini as mentioned already but we do size and sell a few of these too:

- Ironmail (i.e the old Cyphjertrust) from Secure Computing
- Sourcefire
- Juniper plays a bit here too but might be overkill for 500 users

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huh, just had a call on a barracuda setup.
Probably going to see it tomorrow.

Postini is a nice setup. no bothering with updates etc.

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Symantec Brightmail 8200 series.
works great
Thats what we run here at ENH.

BTW, XL721, is your name Tony by any chance? are you Korean dude that used to work at ENH?

[edit] yes, your name is Tony, as I see from other topic. What was the name of that Korean hole in the wall in Skokie you took me to? I see you finally got yourself a bike again The Brightmail 8200 gave you up man. Benjamin is missing you sorely

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