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Blu-ray only? Not so fast....

http://www.audioholics.com/news/edit...-little-secret

crazy. i still think in the end HD-DVD will win.

if you want to just get the meat of the article, here are several "Blu-ray only" titles that are available on HD-DVD in other markets: http://www.audioholics.com/news/edit...nd-titles.html

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I'm still waiting this out. I am always an early adopter of all new technologies but not on this one. I don't see the enough difference yet between HD & my upconverting player to make a $400+ leap in to something that may die early.

You could justify blu ray if you wanted the PS3 also. You better also have a 1080p display if you are going to upgrade. Positive of this is regular DVD's can be had really cheap especially if they are not new releases.




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so what the heck is the difference between the two??

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so what the heck is the difference between the two??
Different formats and technology, Blu Ray created by Sony like Beta referenced above. BluRay is suppposed to have a higher capacity but it's not utilized. Both had or have(not up to date on this) exclusive rights with some studios, I believe Bluray has Disney.

It really comes down to which format wins out so you're not stuck with the next Beta.




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It really comes down to which format wins out so you're not stuck with the next Beta.
I'm voting HD DVD. Pr0n isn't out on Blu Ray. Why do you think VHS won out and laserdisc tanked?

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I'm voting HD DVD. Pr0n isn't out on Blu Ray. Why do you think VHS won out and laserdisc tanked?
Good point, pron could be the deciding factor.




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Porn won't be the deciding factor. Too much on the web to impact sales. But either way, it's on BluRay anyway so not an issue.
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Technology is changing so fast....will it matter what you pick Paying top dollar for something that will be out of date in a couple of years or 70% cheaper I gave up on the technology race years ago, didn't make sense to me...I don't utilize it enough. Technology that is 3 or 4 steps behind the "current" stuff seems to fill my needs quite well. I guess ignornance is truly bliss

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PS3 and blu-ray are both going right down the shitter.
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Porn won't be the deciding factor. Too much on the web to impact sales. But either way, it's on BluRay anyway so not an issue.
Where are you getting this from? Pr0n on the web is nothing but a drop in the bucket. DVD sales is still their bread maker. The internet is just another deliver method.

Pr0n does come in both BluRay and HD DVD, but more pr0n companies are taking sides and it's HD DVD that's winning.

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I have to disagree Mao. Porn is bigger on the Internet and the sales are dying with DVD's. I saw something where porn industry insiders were complaining about this trend.

As for Blu-ray & HD DVD the better technology isn't always the winner. As mentioned: the Beta vs VHS scenario. It's going to come down to which technology gets the most support.

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Of course the pr0n big wigs are going to complain. It's like MP3 DLers taking money out of their pockets. Do you have any idea how much Vivid pictures grosses alone in DVD sales? Steven Hirsch is a genius.

Something like 11K+ DVD titles are released each year. That is 100x more than all the main stream motion picture studios combined. $15Billion in earnings per year. Guess how much is from Internet sales?

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How much...? And you are speaking only of 1 company. Not to mention the solely online companies. Agreed major companies will always complain when their profits are cut into by other forms of delivery. But much like music downloading... When I want my porn I want my porn ! So at 2am most people can download it in the comfort of their own homes... Not to mention it's the 80/20 rule. The people buying porn online which may be 20% are making up 80% of the business.

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I am speaking of all the companies when I say $15Billion in sales. That was the figure in 2006. Less than 1/4 of that pie was credited to Internet sales. I only used Vivid because they are the biggest and the best.

Most homes still do not have broadband internet. They do however have DVD players and TV. When people want their pr0n at 2am, are they going to wait 3 hours to DL a postage stamp size video or are they going to turn on the TV and put in a DVD?

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Mao LOL!

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I'm a business man first and foremost. Regular day jobs isn't for me so I research ways to make money. I would have my own pr0n company by now but the industry is so competitive.

A good business is where you find it. I'd sell crack babies if it was legal and made me money.

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If porn is any indicator of what's going to happen then its fairly clear that in just a few years both BluRay and HD DVD will be obsolete in favor of internet downloading of movies on demand.

Why the hell do you think both PS3 and Xbox are slammin new hard drives into these boxes? Its not so you can download 120kb screensavers and bonus guns for Gears of War is it?

Hell Sony already said that its PSP UMD movie disks are extinct. They are soon going to start selling this movie format via their website which will allow you to use your PS3 to download the file and then send it to your PSP via the USB. Another reason to up the memory in the new PSP. I mean those little memory cards only held 128mb just 4 years ago. Now they have 4+gb cards.

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UMD went extinct for the same reason MiniDiscs did. It has little to do with the Internet.

Can any of you Internet pr0n savants reccomend a site I can check out for OnDemand pr0n? I have yet to see anything that rivals DVD quality and speed. Thanks ahead. This is for research purposes of course.

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I'll give the Internet props for one thing. When I want to see BigBlackBootie.com or tubgirl.com at 3am it's always there for me.

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Research-Right, Right...

Ok... I am at work so that won't be possible.

It's pretty similar to what happened or is happening in the music industry. Which I know first hand... Music execs down played the power of downloading music online for years (Napster's hay day). That blew up in their faces and they have been playing catching up ever since! The music industry is in the red and has been for the last few years (actually longer then that) b/c they didn't include online downloading as part of their business plans. From what I've seen that's very similar to what's happening right now in the movie industry. Even Netflix is moving towards downloads. Why not? Companies that have adopted these business models have less over head then those producing tangible items (DVD's and CD's). You have to keep to in mind to produce/sell a dvd or cd they have to be packaged and distributed to reach the customer (and several other things that involve a cost). Where online eliminates so many middle men which in turns means greater profits. Not saying that cd's or dvd's are obselete but they are definitely declining at a rapid rate. Many companies are adapting to this philosphy and doing what they can to jump on the band wagon.

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I'll give the Internet props for one thing. When I want to see BigBlackBootie.com or tubgirl.com at 3am it's always there for me.
Not to mention smallasianc_ck.com but something tells me you are already aware of this site

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Hahhhaaa! I set myself up for that one. We can never live down small cacks and dog eating.

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Do you really believe that Sony and Netflix's goals are their current business strategy? Come on, both business models are a means to an end for them.

UMD exists because Sony needed to showcase its PSP's movie capacity until it figured out how to get the content to the device via the web.

Netflix goal all along has been web distribution. They are just taking cautious baby steps towards getting their so they don't alientate their 40+ age demographic who still use dial up AOL.

Its like a chess game, these companies are thinking several moves ahead of themselves. The trick is to have the current business plan support future development. In the case of PS3 and PSP I'd imagine Sony is quite upset that the current plan isn't supporting the future development yet (or ever?)

I see the trick that MS's Xbox 360 is taking and its certainly a lesson stolen right from Sony. MS releases a game system that allows you to plug in optional equipment at additional cost just like the PS2 did with the hard drive and the network adapter. Sony chose to package this with the PS3 and is loosing out to higher costs.

The scariest thing about the PS3 is that developers who'd had signed onboard to port games for the system are abandoning those contracts because the system's cell technology is proving too difficult to program for. That's a real shame because by the time developers figure out the PS3 Microsoft will probably release a ground up xbox revision.

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Do you really believe that Sony and Netflix's goals are their current business strategy? Come on, both business models are a means to an end for them.
I would never believe that any company especially ones dealing in the technological/entertainment sector like Sony & Netflix would have a set business model that wouldn't take into account newer better future technologies. Or delivery to their customers. Don't mistake what I said it's not only technological companies taking advantage of these new delivery methods to their customers. Even H&M is setting up an impulse buying capability (by using your camera phone to buy advertised clothes that people see in ads).

Why wouldn't you look for different, easier, more profitable way to reach your customer if you were running a company or in a companies marketing/advertising department.

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Do you really believe that Sony and Netflix's goals are their current business strategy? Come on, both business models are a means to an end for them.

UMD exists because Sony needed to showcase its PSP's movie capacity until it figured out how to get the content to the device via the web.

Netflix goal all along has been web distribution. They are just taking cautious baby steps towards getting their so they don't alientate their 40+ age demographic who still use dial up AOL.

Its like a chess game, these companies are thinking several moves ahead of themselves. The trick is to have the current business plan support future development. In the case of PS3 and PSP I'd imagine Sony is quite upset that the current plan isn't supporting the future development yet (or ever?)

I see the trick that MS's Xbox 360 is taking and its certainly a lesson stolen right from Sony. MS releases a game system that allows you to plug in optional equipment at additional cost just like the PS2 did with the hard drive and the network adapter. Sony chose to package this with the PS3 and is loosing out to higher costs.

The scariest thing about the PS3 is that developers who'd had signed onboard to port games for the system are abandoning those contracts because the system's cell technology is proving too difficult to program for. That's a real shame because by the time developers figure out the PS3 Microsoft will probably release a ground up xbox revision.
They have been talking about On Demand service for years now. Hollywood can not get over their copywrite concerns with HD Movies being downloaded and thus the creation of HDMI in the first place. I think HDDVD can stick for a number of years, people still want to go to the store and browse for movies.

They said this same stuff about DVD and that on Demand would replace it in no time. The only provider offering On Demand that I know of is Comcast. While it's okay it does not offer every movie under the sun. DVD is been going pretty strong for the last seven years

The leap for to HDDVD will be easier for many as it's basically the same technology to the average consumer, just better. Remember Hifi VCR's?

Sony had the same issue with the PS2, developers said the system was too complicated to program for. 360 is going on the 2nd full year and PS3 seems to be sputtering.




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Tough call. If BR goes down, then there's a good chance that PS3 will go down as well. Right now they've sold around 4.5 million consoles I believe? So Sony will lose not only the format war, which is most important to them...but also the console battle. Without BR, I'd guess that PS3 will go hang out with the Dreamcast in never never land.
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Will there really be a 'winner' in this one? I think Sony has far too much invested to give up. In the end, I think we will have both formats for the long haul.
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Where are you getting this from? Pr0n on the web is nothing but a drop in the bucket. DVD sales is still their bread maker. The internet is just another deliver method.

Pr0n does come in both BluRay and HD DVD, but more pr0n companies are taking sides and it's HD DVD that's winning.
Drop in the bucket? DVD sales took a massive hit when folks started streaming and downloading from the web. So massive that it dropped almost 25% of entire industry sales in a year...

http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/inter...809400881.html

"After years of essentially steady increases, sales and rentals of pornographic videos were $US 3.62 billion in 2006, down from $US 4.28 billion in 2005, according to industry figures."

But then aside from that, I really gotta wonder why porn is thought to be the deciding factor? It didn't decide VHS vs Beta...extended play and recording times did though. The DVD industry is like $25 billion? And the porn industry is somewhere around 3 billion? I'm not sure I see that big of a push from them either way.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...4/ai_n19423510
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