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anyone know how to use remote desktop?

I am trying to figure this thing out, I can do it on the same wifi network but I cant figure out how to do it from an out side source



like, If I am my neighbors wifi, how can I acess my pc.

I cant figure out how to identify this pc to input it.

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To use the remote desktop, there still has to be a person at the computer you're trying to access to allow you to get permissions and what not.

If that computer is using a router, you need to make port forwards, so that when you try to access the routers ip from outside of your house, it automatically chooses to connect to the pc you're trying to remotely access.
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To use the remote desktop, there still has to be a person at the computer you're trying to access to allow you to get permissions and what not.

If that computer is using a router, you need to make port forwards, so that when you try to access the routers ip from outside of your house, it automatically chooses to connect to the pc you're trying to remotely access.
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What is the host OS version being used? Xp home, XP pro, vista? Which flavor.

I know XP pro and vista ultimate support remote desktop connections.

Assuming you meet those requirements, you need an account with a password. RDP doesn't work on account without a configured password.

No one has to be at the computer you're trying to connect to for the session to work.

If you are using a router, port 3389 needs to be forwarded to the host ip.

Aside from that, remote desktop works very well.
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No one has to be at the computer you're trying to connect to for the session to work.
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Do you just set a rule to "Auto Accept" any ip trying to connect? I would think the security portion of this would not be good at all

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Autoaccept? This is not AIM.

Yes, any connecting IP will have access, but they do need to know the login name and password. RDP does use 128bit encryption for the actual session too.
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Autoaccept? This is not AIM.

Yes, any connecting IP will have access, but they do need to know the login name and password. RDP does use 128bit encryption for the actual session too.
I see - I was always under the impression that someone had to be at the machine and "accept the request" to access it hence my question of acceptance levels

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You're thinking of remote assistance. That will prompt the local machine for permission. Remote desktop doesn't have this limitation.
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You're thinking of remote assistance. That will prompt the local machine for permission. Remote desktop doesn't have this limitation.
Ahhh - I was thinking of what my engineers use to access my laptop to trouble shoot and such when I am not on location

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What is the host OS version being used? Xp home, XP pro, vista? Which flavor.

I know XP pro and vista ultimate support remote desktop connections.

Assuming you meet those requirements, you need an account with a password. RDP doesn't work on account without a configured password.

No one has to be at the computer you're trying to connect to for the session to work.

If you are using a router, port 3389 needs to be forwarded to the host ip.

Aside from that, remote desktop works very well.
its going to be a Vista ultimate, I set up account with password and that worked perfectly.

I will configure the router (once I figure out how) to point,

But what is the host ip? I ask because if it points to one specific PC IP then that would be the only one I can access.

Now How do I find my routers ip?

like if it says, connect to computer name: ZZZXXXXXXX

what is the ZZZxxxx

because currently its 169.xxx.x.xxx (something like that, I cant remember from memory)

But I know that that means it only works for local network, how can I find MY network from somewhere else.


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I just re read BWA's post, i just need to find my routers IP address and then when I login it, that port will FWD me to this one PC.




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Ahhh - I was thinking of what my engineers use to access my laptop to trouble shoot and such when I am not on location
yea thats remote assistance

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On your home PC. type (whatismyipaddress.com) in the browser. This will be your IP address asigned to you from your ISP. Also, this will not work in the future if your IP address is not static, meaning if you go to whatismyipaddress in a week and your IP ad is different, you have a dynamic connection. Since you have comcast, I am sure they gave you at least one static IP address. After this is done you will have to configure your router for port forwarding, take the IP ad from whatismyipaddress.com and forward all request for that IP to your internal LAN IP ad (this can be found my clicking Start, Run, typing in cmd, press enter, then type in ipconfig)


The internal LAN address will look something like 192.168.1.5
The whatismyipaddress IP will look something like 74.61.35.253

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1. Enable Remote Desktop Connection through settings menu's in Windows.

2. Change your listen port for RDP...default is 3389 which myself and others love to scan to see if they're open. The port can be changed very easily:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306759
I suggest a port like 443 or some other common one IF your work blocks all other random ports. Companies know that you can remote into your home pc via port 3389 and will usually block it. But a port like 443 will not be blocked by your companies firewall typically.

3. Configure your router to do port forwarding to your local machine. The range should just be the one port number (3389 or whatever you changed your listen port to in step 2).

3a. To find out your machines local IP address, click Start, Run, type in 'CMD'. In the DOS prompt type IPCONFIG and read the IP Address which might be something like 192.168.1.100 (chances are it'll start with 192.168 or 10.1)

4. Go to a site like what others mentioned or http://ipchicken.com and note your external address. Note: this number might change from time to time. With Comcast it does change maybe once a year or so, but good to check every once in a while, especially if you're planning on going on a trip and no one will be around to confirm your address for you.

5. Create a guest account and call a friend to try logging in from their computer while you're in front of yours at home to trouble shoot in case anything went wrong.

To log in remotely:
1. Click Start, Run, type in 'MSTSC'
2. You will be prompted for an IP address
3. Type in the public address from IPchicken or wherever you got it.
Note: If you changed your listen port from 3389 to anything else then you'll have to enter that port afterwards...

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Port not changed from default you'd enter something like 67.167.13.77 and hit enter. It might take a few seconds but it should give you the login screen or your friend testing it remotely

Port changed from default to 443 you'd enter it like 67.167.13.77:443

Any time you use a port other than the default 3389, you gotta enter the port number afterwards as displayed above. I can work with you over Xbox Live if you want sometime too.
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Ver ygood posts guys, I cant wait to try it now that I have a comprehension of it.

I am very good on the other side of computers, just networking I become a lost child in a kmart.

I think I might keep with default port settings to make it easier since I am going to be accessing just from my pcs or phone.

I might dedicate a couple other ports to ipFWD to the other pcs.

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Use hamachi instead of dyndns. Free, full 256 bit AES encryption to create a private VPN. I think it's supported on Vista now and doesn't require you messing with port forwarding on your router. You need to have it running on both computers though. Once you do, it's like you're sitting there with an ethernet cable plugged directly into the computer you're trying to remote into. I use it to fix my parents'/grandparents'/siblings'/exes'/friends'/everyone's computers when the ask for help. Here's a couple links for you:

Hamachi:
https://secure.logmein.com/products/...pn.asp?lang=en

HamachiServiceEx (turns current user's settings into a service that will run on [re]boot):
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Use hamachi instead of dyndns. Free, full 256 bit AES encryption to create a private VPN. I think it's supported on Vista now and doesn't require you messing with port forwarding on your router. You need to have it running on both computers though. Once you do, it's like you're sitting there with an ethernet cable plugged directly into the computer you're trying to remote into. I use it to fix my parents'/grandparents'/siblings'/exes'/friends'/everyone's computers when the ask for help. Here's a couple links for you:

Hamachi:
https://secure.logmein.com/products/...pn.asp?lang=en

HamachiServiceEx (turns current user's settings into a service that will run on [re]boot):
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Hamachi is fantastic as well...very good program. I'm too lazy to set it up

Only question about Hamachi...ever since it was sold (I forget the corp that bought it), is it still just as good? I know sometimes companies can take a good product and make it overkill or just useless.
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I hope you understand the potential ramifications of port-forwarding all TCP3389 traffic to your desktop.

Do you keep personal files on that computer?

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I see - I was always under the impression that someone had to be at the machine and "accept the request" to access it hence my question of acceptance levels
You gotta go into mypc-properties-remote and check the box to allow remote. You'll be able to log-in with an id local to the system. Then you have to know the ip and if through a router, set up the forwarding or dmz or something like everybody said.

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I hope you understand the potential ramifications of port-forwarding all TCP3389 traffic to your desktop.

Do you keep personal files on that computer?


indeed.

how concerned should I be for a at home system?

its on a WEP wireless network so they would have to bypass that first, then move onto realize that one pc is open ported for RD



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The WEP (not really secure at all anyways) isn't the issue.

The fact that you are opening ports from your firewall to your desktop gives attackers (which is anyone in the worl dw/ Internet access) an avenue to start on the well-know TCP port 3389, and then expand on to other exploits from there.

I personally don't forward ports to an internal home system unless it's behind something like ISA.

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k, imma open port 311 and use that to FWD to that particular pc

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Hamachi is fantastic as well...very good program. I'm too lazy to set it up

Only question about Hamachi...ever since it was sold (I forget the corp that bought it), is it still just as good? I know sometimes companies can take a good product and make it overkill or just useless.
Too lazy? Run the installer and power it on. Done. It's definitely more work to forward ports especially with a dynamic ip. LogMeIn bought it. Most of the original Hamachi team is still there, and I haven't seen any drop in quality yet.
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Too lazy? Run the installer and power it on. Done. It's definitely more work to forward ports especially with a dynamic ip. LogMeIn bought it. Most of the original Hamachi team is still there, and I haven't seen any drop in quality yet.
You're also trusting the central server for the connection right? It links via their server, so they always have any security keys which means you must put full faith in them I guess?
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