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10/100BaseT over Cat3

Anyone do this over short distances, say 50 feet or so? I'm hoping to convert an existing Cat3 phone line(home run, not shared) to a data line. I'm concerned that the computers will autonegotiate to 100baseT and drop packets like mad. I'm sure at 10BaseT it'd be money but I doubt my router/PC will negotiate to that speed.

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Should be no problem with that short of a run. Turn off auto negotiate and test.

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For what it's worth the cabling visually looks like cat5 but I havent seen any markings on it to justify this, it's not some ancient crappy cat3 that many of you I'm sure have seen in your day. I'll probably punch it down rj45 and test it tonight.

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For what it's worth the cabling visually looks like cat5 but I havent seen any markings on it to justify this, it's not some ancient crappy cat3 that many of you I'm sure have seen in your day. I'll probably punch it down rj45 and test it tonight.
The difference is cat3 isn't twisted pair. So you may get dropped packets.... why not just pull a new cat5 line? I have a ton if you need some.

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Why bother?
good question, and I was sure it would come up.

I have DSL internet service at home, fed up to my office above my garage. From there it goes into my DLS modem and ultimately my router for my network(PC, laptop, test laptop, network printer).

The problem is I want to put my xbox360 on live and it's located at the furthest location from the router in the house(first floor, opposite end), a location I've never gotten good wireless signal at with laptops(I have no reason to think the wireless adapater for the xbox would be any better). If I move the router close to the xbox I need to then get internet back to the office. If I leave the router where it is I need to get wiring back to the xbox(next to impossible without drywall work).



oldskool, the cat3 run is 4pairs UTP. which is why I think I should be money. Hell it might be cat5 without markings.

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The problem is I want to put my xbox360 on live and it's located at the furthest location from the router in the house(first floor, opposite end), a location I've never gotten good wireless signal at with laptops(I have no reason to think the wireless adapater for the xbox would be any better).
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Put in another WAP.
i've considerd it, though if possible I like to minimize boxes around the house and possible points of failure.

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oldskool, the cat3 run is 4pairs UTP. which is why I think I should be money. Hell it might be cat5 without markings.
yeah, it has pairs but they are not "twisted pairs". Hence the reason cross talk can happen on cat3.

Like I said, if you need some cat5 I have some just drive your ass out and I'll hook you up with some.

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I'm presuming you're planning on running it through a preexisting wall socket. Why not remove the current faceplate, replace it with a dual and run the cable. No drywall work required.
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yeah, it has pairs but they are not "twisted pairs". Hence the reason cross talk can happen on cat3.

Like I said, if you need some cat5 I have some just drive your ass out and I'll hook you up with some.
I just said it's UTP numbnuts!! haha, I've looked at it and visually it's just like cat5. 4 twisted pairs.

Insomniac, I cannot pull another run to this location as it does not follow a direct path nor is it in conduit.

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I just said it's UTP numbnuts!! haha, I've looked at it and visually it's just like cat5. 4 twisted pairs.

Insomniac, I cannot pull another run to this location as it does not follow a direct path nor is it in conduit.
Doh! didn't see the UTP part.

I said before in such a short run it may work.

Other option is 360 wireless card and this:
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Consider the fish-tape trick.. just duct tape the end of a new cable to the existing and pull it through from one end

On a serious note though, it you must, just force your network cards to be 10-T or simply just jack the end near your net connection into a cheap ass $8.00 10baseT hub, then cross connect/uplink it into your other stuff.. It will force the other end to 10T

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my DLS modem and ultimately my router
I hope it then doesnt connect to your computer the the UBS port, ethernet is a better connection for all DLS modems.... (smartass off)


good luck, and GOIOd choice to run wire, xbox with wireless still has too much latency for me.

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the existing run is not direct enough to do the tape and pull method, nor fishing.
old crappy 10baseT hub is a funny and realistic option to force 10baseT negotiation.

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seriously though, do you have a path we can use to get to the basement? your office is over the garage correct? lets run a cat 5 down the wall and into the garage, then we can run it through the garage, and into the basement, once into the basement we run up in the joists all the way to your family room and pop up out through the wall via a jack. sweet and simple.

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seriously though, do you have a path we can use to get to the basement? your office is over the garage correct? lets run a cat 5 down the wall and into the garage, then we can run it through the garage, and into the basement, once into the basement we run up in the joists all the way to your family room and pop up out through the wall via a jack. sweet and simple.

Need cable and connectors? I got shitloads.
I was just about to suggest that, or with a slight twist mount the router in the basnement joist for more symmetrical coverage. I cannot believe you've gone this long without a strong signal in the main room of the house. This what I did at my old place in the front of the house and had reception on the back deck.

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I'm thinking that might be necessary.




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the plan is to move the router to the basement, thats why i'm jumping through hoops. stay tuned.

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current speed, which is teh suk. i should call on this.


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current speed, which is teh suk. i should call on this.

i would i am a touch higher then that on DSL



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