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Building up the new computer!

Ok, so I've sold some stuff on eBay, and I have some cash set aside...I was saving this stuff for some new Nikon gear...but I figure the Nikon gear isn't going to make a lick of difference if my workstation should finally give up the ghost. So I'm retiring the 5 year old system and trying out something like this:

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I'm keeping it in my old, dented up, mid-tower till I can afford that nice CoolerMaster case like Loki has:

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I have a PCI Express video card from a $5000 Workstation, but I have no idea what chipset is on it, and it's 2 years old...so it will have to do till I can afford whatever the latest and greatest video card is. I don't game much anyways, I just need processing power and redundant storage for my photography.

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I forgot to add, here is why I chose the system I did.

Q6600: 9 266 = 2.4Ghz, DDR2-533 << STOCK speeds
Q6600: 9 333 = 3.0Ghz, DDR2-667 << Nice OC
Q6600: 9 378 = 3.4Ghz, DDR2-756 << Good OC, near max on good air for B3 stepping
Q6600: 9 400 = 3.6Ghz, DDR2-800 << Great OC, near max on good air for G0 stepping

The store I bought the Quad Core from makes sure they are the G0 stepping. So I should be able to push this processor up to 3.0Ghz-3.4Ghz with little effort. Maybe further if I invest in some better cooling gear.

So far my total is $803.05 shipped, and I have a $20 MIR to send in.

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All the of encoding and stuff will be done on the CPU anyways, so the graphics card won't matter a ton. Just get a budget model.

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I can barely check email and download pron on my computer . If I get into PC gaming again, I will upgrade, or when I have to switch to Vista, as I am sure my system does not meet the minimum requirements. It sounds like you have a good set up there .

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Invest in fast and reliable storage. Go with 10K RPM WD Raptors if you can tolerate the added noise. Either use RAID0 + large enough backup drive (RAID0 adds speed because the reads can be done in parallel, but it is at least two times more likely to fail) or RAID1 which also improves read speed (if the controller is smart enough). RAID10 is the best but it is also the most expensive: you need at least four drives to make the RAID10 array.

PS My home PC has 4x 15K RPM Seagate Cheetahs (Ultra320 SCSI) in RAID10 . I've had two drives fail at the same time (air conditioner failure on a hot summer day) and the array survived.

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Or striping with parity so you get the best of both worlds. But you need at least 3 drives
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Invest in fast and reliable storage. Go with 10K RPM WD Raptors if you can tolerate the added noise. Either use RAID0 + large enough backup drive (RAID0 adds speed because the reads can be done in parallel, but it is at least two times more likely to fail) or RAID1 which also improves read speed (if the controller is smart enough). RAID10 is the best but it is also the most expensive: you need at least four drives to make the RAID10 array.

PS My home PC has 4x 15K RPM Seagate Cheetahs (Ultra320 SCSI) in RAID10 . I've had two drives fail at the same time (air conditioner failure on a hot summer day) and the array survived.

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Interesting... I admit, I didn't know that. I would guess that it depends on he controller, though - whether or not it is smart enough and has enough cache to distribute the reads.

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I've already got a pair of 36GB Raptors for RAID-0 C:\ Drive
And I've got 4 500GB 16MB 7200RPM Seagate Perpendicular drives for a RAID setup.

I'm probably going to go Striped+Mirrored, but I have a lot of options since the board supports 0/1/5/10/0+1
So I'll do some testing with different setups to see what goes fast and handles faults easily.

I'm not worried about the video card now...I'm just happy to have a system that will allow me to process photos without clicking once per minute for changes. LOL

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I've already got a pair of 36GB Raptors for RAID-0 C:\ Drive
And I've got 4 500GB 16MB 7200RPM Seagate Perpendicular drives for a RAID setup.

I'm probably going to go Striped+Mirrored, but I have a lot of options since the board supports 0/1/5/10/0+1
So I'll do some testing with different setups to see what goes fast and handles faults easily.

I'm not worried about the video card now...I'm just happy to have a system that will allow me to process photos without clicking once per minute for changes. LOL
Seems like the mobo is questionable. I'm not an Intel fan simply because they piggy back off of AMD's technology and then they come out with a chip. AMD is I'll admit slow to rebound. Probably because the merge with ATI has both departments off track. I still get enough out of a AMD and don't have to pay for a name. Is it as fast? No, but with a good setup you can be just as good if not better. Still, to each their own.
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Interesting...I read through that article after I posted:

Bottom line: RAID-0 arrays will win you just about any benchmark, but they'll deliver virtually nothing more than that for real world desktop performance. That's just the cold hard truth.

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Here is a review of the board I ordered. Damn this thing is like copper sex!

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Or striping with parity so you get the best of both worlds. But you need at least 3 drives
RAID3/5 is fast on reads but penalizes heavy on writes.

I just bought a Gigabyte board as well; I've used Abit, Asus, MSI, ECS, Epox, Intel, and Gigabtye. The only board failure I've ever had was an DOA Abit.

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Jeff, what do you think of just doing a RAID 5 setup then?

What do you think would be the best for a bunch of big SATA drives, and knowing I'm primarily archiving photos and other files on this setup?

I guess speed is somewhat important as I'm going to be reading/writing to the drive regularly with moving, processing, and archiving of the photos.

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depends whats more important to you, the space or the redundancy
I forget how many Jeff's we have around here....almost as many as the Eric's!!

Space is not an issue. As inexpensive as hard drive are these days, I have no issues buying a trio of 500GB drives to have 1T of storage with 500Gig lost to parity.

Redundancy and Performance in that order...or honestly, those two in equal amounts.

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welp if youre going to go for redundancy then go ahead with the raid 5

but in terms of speed ehhhhh yea you could go with SATA but 150 isnt that much faster than 133, at least i havent noticed much of a difference and you probably wont unless working with a shitload of files, which you seem to be doing, its a bit more expensive to go for one with 10k rpms and it might work out for you with so many files/photos along with how big they can be

we do video encoding at work and have raid 0 setup between 2 SATA drives and the performance is decent with what we do. unfortunately we dont have a similiar setup with ide drives or a different array to work with to see any real performance gain were just more concerned about space than performance.

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DS4 is a great choice, I have a DS3 rev 2 and it has but one flaw and that is a unique power problem that forced me to RMA it before I finished the build...the second board I received has been fantastic. I can only assume that the DS4 will be a great selection. I'm tempted to tell you to go with the QX6700 or my favorite the QX6850

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I'll either be doing the copper version of the Zalman you posted, or the Thermaltake V1 that was used in that review I posted earlier in the thread.

Since I bought a Retail box Q6600, known B0 stepping, I should be fine for some light overclocking with stock cooling. I pretty much tapped myself on this purchase...but if some of my stuff on eBay sells, then I might get that case this weekend!

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You would have to quantify 'performance' more.

If you mainly do photo work, that's a different set of writing parameters than say needing to capture video data streams for an hour straight to the RAID unit.

RAID 5 will definitely give you redundancy like RAID1 will (parity versus mirroring) but will give you spanning capability (the ability to put data on more than 1 drive without needing a 1:1 mirror of each data drive). For many applications, the write performance hit isn't really that bad. For things that write all the time, yes, you will notice a hit.

Once you put the photos on the unit, the 'writing' part is done except for 'saving' changes to them, correct? I would think in that type of role, you will not be pounding the storage unit often enough to have the slower write of raid5 make that big of a difference (maybe a tiny fraction of a second on a multi-MB file). Add in write caching of the OS, and you may not even notice it at all. It's very subjective, but the rule is usually: Heavy constant near real-time writing of large data streams RAID5 = SUCKS. Random not so often writes: somewhere between 'not so bad' and 'pretty decent'

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You would have to quantify 'performance' more.

If you mainly do photo work, that's a different set of writing parameters than say needing to capture video data streams for an hour straight to the RAID unit.

RAID 5 will definitely give you redundancy like RAID1 will (parity versus mirroring) but will give you spanning capability (the ability to put data on more than 1 drive without needing a 1:1 mirror of each data drive). For many applications, the write performance hit isn't really that bad. For things that write all the time, yes, you will notice a hit.

Once you put the photos on the unit, the 'writing' part is done except for 'saving' changes to them, correct? I would think in that type of role, you will not be pounding the storage unit often enough to have the slower write of raid5 make that big of a difference (maybe a tiny fraction of a second on a multi-MB file). Add in write caching of the OS, and you may not even notice it at all. It's very subjective, but the rule is usually: Heavy constant near real-time writing of large data streams RAID5 = SUCKS. Random not so often writes: somewhere between 'not so bad' and 'pretty decent'
I follow ya. And yes, photo archiving and processing is quite a bit different from video or audio.

But...I will be doing considerable copying and moving, plus many of the utilities I run constantly scan for new images to archive, rename, and copy.

The overall system will probably be setup like this:

C Drive: I will upgrade to a Raptor II 72GB when I can afford it
36GB Raptor #1 (old one) will probably be used as a Photoshop Scratch Drive
36GB Raptor #2 (old one) will probably be used as gaming drive

3 - 500GB (Raid ??) hard drives used for photography processing & archiving, and utility/files storage.

I guess I'll just have to try out the various RAID setups and see what seems to work best for the weird way Photo processing is done. While it's not as intesive as video, the indexing/renaming/archiving does tax a system a bit.

Hell, I'm just excited to have a new PC! My video died on me 3 times last night while reading through the Paul thread, and it's very frustrating to have to reboot the system over and over and hope the video comes back !

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Jeff, what do you think of just doing a RAID 5 setup then?

What do you think would be the best for a bunch of big SATA drives, and knowing I'm primarily archiving photos and other files on this setup?

I guess speed is somewhat important as I'm going to be reading/writing to the drive regularly with moving, processing, and archiving of the photos.
I'm going with simple RAID1 (two 500GB SATA 3.0GB/s drives) to protect my data. I'm more concerned with planning for data loss than overall storage capacity; I clean house pretty regularly and also run backups to a pair of USB drives that I rotate offsite.

RAID10 is an ideal setup, but costs stupid $$. Or go with the old RAID1 mirror for system/app/boot partitions and a second array of RAID5 disks for mass storage. Like a mirror of Raptors and a stripe-set of slower 7200k drives. Again, costly.

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