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I am thinking about moving over to satellite tv.
I have a question about the receivers. can I use just any receiver (well... not just any...)? I want the DVR functionality. The providers charge extra per mo for thier DVR upgrades (lease fees). can I just buy a receiver/dvr off ebay and use it?
should I just get the standard receiver and get Tivo?

i have read that the receivers need a land based telephone line.... is this true? what is it for? why do I need it? I have not had a land line for over 5 years (on VoIP).

I dont have an HD tv and no real plans on getting one any time soon but when I do (ya ya, i know, dont give me $hit about it ), how hard is it to upgrade to a different receiver?

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what is a power commander...??
also, if it matters, I am looking at directTV.. they have better deals right now.

If I just lease the boxes from Direct tv, can I turn them in later when I buy my own?

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if you want dish I cant help you with info. if you want directv then type out your questions in a numbered listed and I'll answer them all. I love my directv and they'll have 100 high def channels by the end of the year!!

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Thanks Vcook... here you go:

1. can I use just any receiver (well... not just any...)? I want DVR functionality, so can I just buy one off ebay and save on the reciever lease fees?

2. If i can, how do I go about it? can I just hook it up and go?

3. should I just get the standard receiver (free from directv) and get Tivo?

4. I have read that the receivers need a land based telephone line.... is this true? what is it for? why do I need it? I have not had a land line for over 5 years (on VoIP). This one is very important as it may make or break me switching to directv!!

5. I dont have an HD tv and no real plans on getting one any time soon but when I do, how hard is it to upgrade to a different receiver and what is involved (providing I own my own and not lease one from directv)?

6. If I just lease the boxes from Direct tv for now, can I turn them in later when I buy my own (off of ebay or whereever)?

7. I have noticed that some (if not all.. not sure) receivers need "cards". what are these?

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1. In theory you can use any DirecTV reciever to obtain their service, however it's not worth it. You get good deals as a new customer and that way you have the lastest equipment. If you really want an older DirecTV DVR used standard definition DirecTivos go for cheap on ebay.

2. If you get a used unit it will need an access card(most should come with it) and you will need a DirecTV dish on your house, and you call to activate it. Again as a new customer you get good deals, I dont think used is the way to go.

3. Integrating a DirecTV reciever with a stand alone Tivo is a huge pain in the ass and now you have 2 devices in play. You're better off either getting a used DirecTivo if you love the Tivo interface, or haggle with them for a DirecTV HD-DVR.

4. The land line is for PPV and things like that, that's all it's needed for and even that can be gotten around by ording PPV online. So dont worry about it, I had a DirecTivo in my bedroom that didnt ever have a phone line on it.

5. You can haggle for an HD-DVR up front and just not utilize the HD abilities of it. Or you can try to haggle for one down the road. I've been a customer for years and I just recently called them and haggled till I got an HD-DVR for free and HD service free for a year.

6. When leasing the boxes the big upside is that if they crap out you send them in and they fix or replace them. If you manage to buy one on your own not only will you pay a ton but if it takes a dump you're on your own. You dont pay a monthly lease price you just pay up front to lease it, or if you're good at haggling you get it for free anyways. Since they're considered leased units you'd have to turn them in at some point if you changed service.

7. All direcTV recievers and DVR's need a DirecTV access card, these come with the units from DirecTV and should come with used units as well. Dont buy used if it doesnt have it, because then you'd need to get a card too.


All in all, I recommend either haggling with DirecTV to get what you want right out of the gates or haggling to get the minimum package for next to nothing then picking up a cheap standard def DirecTivo unit off ebay. Bear in mind that if you hope to take advantage of the 100+ HD channels they plan to have by end of year you will need a newer reciever or DVR to decode the mpeg4 signals those channels use.

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Also, if you want to utilize the dual tuners in any of the DirecTV DVR's you need to run 2 lines from the dish or multiswitch to feed it. They do not have internal splitters as the Sat signal is different than regular cable signals. They're working on a SWM(single wire multiswitch) that hopefully will be in widespread use soon which will resolve this problem(when used with the proper multiswitch and receiver).

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thanks Vcook. I am going to set up Directv this week. I suck at haggling, so maybe when I am ready to update up to HD, I will have you call `em for me

now... just have to decide about switching back over to DSL too
was gonna try and do a whole bundle deal with ATT (dish network) and yahoo elite DSL (6mb) but the deal was not that great and I really did not like the dish packages.

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Just make sure you don't have MDUC (a direct tv reseller) set up a ghetto @ss dish on your roof with a pile of bricks. No sh!t, I live in a condo and have NO CHOICE but this shared DirectTV reseller and I lose signal on a clear day. I think I'm gonna call the city because those bricks could fall onto the street anytime.
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its worth noting that you need a clear view of the SW sky to get good reception. If you have a shitload of trees you'll have issues.

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its worth noting that you need a clear view of the SW sky to get good reception. If you have a shitload of trees you'll have issues.
I have a clear shot to the sw. no trees in my yard.


Is satellite really any better or worse than cable? it is cheaper.
are weather related problems a thing of the past?

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Ok I just moved from direct tv to dish why i will tell you

A with direct tv you do not own the cable box you pay 99 bucks and then a monthly lease fee and have to return the box once service is ended. It does not matter if you buy the box from BB or CC or where ever you are technically leasing the boxes.

Dish I get every channel and HD for 94.99 plus 1 box works on two tv's each with their own remote. 4 tv's 2 boxs. and guese what I didnt have to pay 99 dollars for anything just pay 5.99 for leaving the box.

Direct tv will and has not recieved the $ boxs i bought from BB in the past and they have threatened me big time which is now being handled by a attorney. I have a recipe of purchase and it does not say nor did i sign a aggreement to lease boxs after paying 99 bucks and then having to return them. Research Dtv and all the scams they pull before deciding to go with them
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You'd have to pay me to switch to Dish, I dont like the quality of picture. You gotta work it a little bit but in the end DirecTV is better, in my opinion. I'm not paying anywhere near $95 a month.

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