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OK, I'm hooked. Went to Putnam for STT's track day on 7/24 and had a blast.

I'm thinking of trading/selling my Tuono (will post an ad if I do it) to pick up a Daytona 675.

What are your guys' suggestions for a track bike? I've only been out once, but I did it on my Triumph Sprint 1050, which ain't a light bike.

Plus, it wasn't too fast on the straights. I'd be ready to pass a Ducati 999 and as soon as we hit the straights, he'd take off. I'd like more power than the standard 600RR.

Figuring anything I buy, 600 or 1000, it will feel light compared to what I was riding and I can do either. BUT - I am clearly a novice - one track day - and while I want something with more power, lighter is probably a good idea.

What's a good compromise? Daytona 675? GSXR-750? SHould I just find a 1000rr?

All thoughts appreciated. Damn, this is going to be an expensive hobby.

Oh, and thankfully, the chewed up tires have been smoothed out by some street riding...I was worried about that. Chewed to bits from side to side. What a blast.

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SV or 600 - you dont need HP to pass literbikes.

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I agree with Kegger. I ride a 600 and I pass bigger bikes. Get a bike that feels good to you to ride. Don't worry about cc. Smooth and fast is not necessarily associated with HP.

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I hear you - I did pass that guy at the end of the long straight before turn 1, ended up taking the turn a bit faster than I otherwise would have, but I finally got in front of that guy. Every turn, I'm on his ass, every straight....WHAAAAAP!!! WHAAAAAAP!!! Passing that yellow Ducati 999 was the most gratifying part of the day.

Can't blame him - take your bike on the track and you want to push it, of course you do it in the straights, but he had to know I was there...

And in Novice, at least at STT, no passing in the corners...I guess that kind of thing doesn't happen in the intermediate/advanced sessions...

Anyway, does the 675 have a bit more power than the standard 600? How does it compare to a GSXR-750?

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I also really like the look of the Daytona and this will likely not be a dedicated track bike (at least for now).

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I bleed Triples but the Daytona can be harder to find parts/more $$ to fix things should they break. Boy I love those triple power plants though.... If you can live with parts availability/$$ then I say go for it, get the Daytona! Small, light and tons of grunt. If that worries you, like it did me go and get a gixxer. A 600 will have plenty of power, not to mention it will weigh a hell of a lot less as you mentioned and you will be able to toss it all around.

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It is fun to pass the bigger bikes. If you set them up in the corners and drive out of the corner better than they do, you can get by them. If you're on their tails in the corners now, once you get past, they'll never catch you again.

Lots of the CR's ride 600's and they'd go by you in a hurry on the track because of the technique and experience gap, regardless of the bike you're on. They make me look silly on most days.

I'd argue that you'll learn to be a better track rider on a "smaller" bike. You have to depend on technique and skill rather than just raw HP on the straights. That's how I'm approaching it, anyway, and I'm 6' 240lb. I could (and maybe should) ride a bigger bike to make up for my extra size and weight. Or I should just lose some weight.

From my standpoint, the answer to your question depends....the 675 has more torque down low. But, if you keep a 600 up in RPM, you keep it in the HP. Learn to ride up higher in the RPM range and the difference doesn't matter. I pass 675's too and I'm just an Intermediate rider.

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I'd go with the 750 because of availability and price of replacement parts. As others have said though, you can pass big bikes with smaller ones. Lower horsepower bikes make you focus on the fundamentals and cornering speed rather than someone learning on a liter bike and keeping it in 3rd gear the entire time.
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Definitely don't buy a big bike for the sole purpose of being able to pass big bike, you can get it done on a 600 no problem. 600's are more forgiving, cheaper on tires and gas, and offer a lot of bang for the buck.

That said, there are a lot of reasons to get a 1000 too, but I'll leave that to somebody that actually owns one

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and as the others have said, gsxr parts are inexpensive. you can get most stuff that you'll break on ebay...

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Anyone every compare thr Daytona to the Gixxer 750? Or to the 600's? A little extra in the straights would be nice....

I really like the look of the Daytona....

If I were to go Gixxer 750, how many years back can I go without sacrificing performance (assuming stock suspension and what not).

Wow, I'm hooked.

Note - plan is to take my Tuono to the track and if I want a smaller/sportier bike (I imagine it's harder to hang off the Tuono with the super high bars and upright riding position) I'll sell it to buy a smaller sport bike and use the extra cash for track days...

I guess there's always a chance I love the Tuono at the track...

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I'd argue that you'll learn to be a better track rider on a "smaller" bike. You have to depend on technique and skill rather than just raw HP on the straights. That's how I'm approaching it, anyway, and I'm 6' 240lb. I could (and maybe should) ride a bigger bike to make up for my extra size and weight. Or I should just lose some weight.
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Anyone every compare thr Daytona to the Gixxer 750? Or to the 600's? A little extra in the straights would be nice....

I really like the look of the Daytona....

If I were to go Gixxer 750, how many years back can I go without sacrificing performance (assuming stock suspension and what not).

Wow, I'm hooked.

Note - plan is to take my Tuono to the track and if I want a smaller/sportier bike (I imagine it's harder to hang off the Tuono with the super high bars and upright riding position) I'll sell it to buy a smaller sport bike and use the extra cash for track days...

I guess there's always a chance I love the Tuono at the track...

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The Daytona is way slimmer than the 750 and in my opinion has way more aggressive ergos. Lower clip-on's and higher seat. Can be good or bad depending on your body and riding style. Get the Daytona if it does it for you, great bike and very track focused.
If going for the 750 get a 06 or newer. 06+ include a slipper and in my opinion feel better, lower seat height too.

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I'd say buy a used race bike off the CCS or Wera forums, you can get a very nicely setup trackbike for $4-5k with all the goodies you'd ever need. If you buy a street bike expect to spend a couple grand getting it setup (body work, clip-ons, rearsets, suspension work, spares, etc etc etc).

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Completely the truth. I'm in the midst of spending a couple grand for setup...fuck

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OK, I'm hooked. Went to Putnam for STT's track day on 7/24 and had a blast.

I'm thinking of trading/selling my Tuono (will post an ad if I do it) to pick up a Daytona 675.

What are your guys' suggestions for a track bike? I've only been out once, but I did it on my Triumph Sprint 1050, which ain't a light bike.

Plus, it wasn't too fast on the straights. I'd be ready to pass a Ducati 999 and as soon as we hit the straights, he'd take off. I'd like more power than the standard 600RR.

Figuring anything I buy, 600 or 1000, it will feel light compared to what I was riding and I can do either. BUT - I am clearly a novice - one track day - and while I want something with more power, lighter is probably a good idea.

What's a good compromise? Daytona 675? GSXR-750? SHould I just find a 1000rr?

All thoughts appreciated. Damn, this is going to be an expensive hobby.

Oh, and thankfully, the chewed up tires have been smoothed out by some street riding...I was worried about that. Chewed to bits from side to side. What a blast.

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I passed a liter bike on the outside of turn 6 at Barber. It was awesome. He got so pissed that he blew past me after that turn and lowsided going into turn 9 cuz he went in too hot.

I am one of those guys that owns a Daytona 675 and uses it on the track. I came from owning a liter bike, R1 to be exact. Biggest piece of shit I owned. Got rid of it after my first track day and traded it on the WERA forum for my Daytona which came already safety wired to WERA standards, had Woodcraft case savers, 1/4 turn throttle tube and suspension tuned by Ken at Superbikes.

The Daytona was a huge difference coming from the R1. For starters, its lighter and narrower then my R1. It also turns on a dime. It scared the shit out of me riding it for the first time because it would just drop in with such little input whereas with the R1, I had to compensate for its size and weight and turn in early. The bike also has a lot of torque compared to the Jap 600s or some 1000s. It definitely had more low end torque than my R1 and it has more than a CBR600RR.

The Daytona comes stock with steel braided brake lines and angled valve stems. Something that most people have to up grade to with Jap sportbikes.

As mentioned already, the only downside is finding spare parts for the bike as there aren't too many around. However that is changing as I'm seeing more and more of them on WERA. If you get one, you won't be disappointed.

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That's true, I'd rock your bike Nexus, I'm suprised you're looking to sell it.

Besides what everyone said above....
Buy a 600/750 - fact is I'm heavy, some would say fat... and I still smoke people on 1000s with a 600. Also 1000s eat tires faster than you think...


Buy something that is cheap to fix and parts are easy available.
Suzuki, Kawi, Yamaha, Honda... don't buy / take any exotic bike to a track unless you are clear to yourself that you might not have that bike for month until parts are available and be sure you have the money aside for repairs... ( just a number, blow up your transmission on a Ducati can run you $4500 and if it is clear that it happened on the track or the bike is older, there is no warranty.) - on this I speak out of experience.


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I'll always have a street bike to rely on (my Sprint is my daily commuter) and my Tuono may end up being the track bike for me. But if not, the sport bike replacement will have to be street legal as well - which is why I was eyeing that Daytona. Sharp bike. I like the idea of some torque.

I also have tons to learn on the track (a reason I am thinking the Tuono isn't the track bike for me) which the 675 sounds good for.

I may not want to take out the Tuono, as right now I could sell it in mint condition and never having been raced....decisions...

I'll see where the chips fall and search the other forums.

I just really like the look of the 675, particularly in graphite...and it's clearly a potent track day weapon....family life and limited cash mean I won't be a total junkie, so I'm not too concerned with replacement parts...having an extra commuter bike id the sport/track bike gets busted will at least keep me on two wheels...

Maybe I'll just put the Tuono up for sale and see what happens...

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I would part with my SV5650 for the right price. It rocks, runs perfect, and I have all the street legal stuff and it has a clean in hand title. SS brake lines, woodcraft clip ons and rear sets, PP tires with the chicken strips removed, HH brake pads, gixxer rear shock, racetech .90 springs, kick ass mono tace tail with a crack (has been repaired) in it. PM me for info.



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I would part with my SV5650 for the right price. It rocks, runs perfect, and I have all the street legal stuff and it has a clean in hand title. SS brake lines, woodcraft clip ons and rear sets, PP tires with the chicken strips removed, HH brake pads, gixxer rear shock, racetech .90 springs, kick ass mono tace tail with a crack (has been repaired) in it. PM me for info.



Wasn't thinking SV650, was more along the lines of winding up a D675 or GSXR750 (or cheap/inexpensive 600rr of some sort).

What's the right price?

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