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Why don't you race?

All you avid die hard track day riders out there!

Explain to the masses why you don't want to race.

Explain why you haven't tried racing.

Explain what has kept you away from competing against other riders on similar equipment.

These questions come to mind because of CCS having to cut back on their schedule. According to the race promoter, entries are the lowest they have been in 20 years. This explains a lot, but it is clear that people still have quite a bit of money to spend on track days and not go racing.

Tell the truth why you don't race.

This brings to mind the old question of when the first motorcycle race was... The answer being when the second bike was built.

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Kegger, you do not really qualify for this because... no offense you don't do too many track days. There are a lot of people out there that spend a fortune on track days every year and have never actually competed. These questions are aimed more torwards those people.

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a few reasons for me
1) i dont think im ready to ride at that level yet- theres ameteur adn expert levels but nothing for those just starting out
2)honestly thinkin about going out there is scary
3) meatgrinder- i dont want to get hurt/taken out cause im slower than the guy behind me
4)it seems like its an all or nothing jump up for me
5)equipment was a reason before i got my 600
6)money though its doesnt really count cause i blow shitloads on trackdays

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Kegger, you do not really qualify for this because... no offense you don't do too many track days. There are a lot of people out there that spend a fortune on track days every year and have never actually competed. These questions are aimed more torwards those people.
But I would if it werent for "i am broke"

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I've been thinking about it this year, I've never really looked into it until recently. So I will be checking some stuff out for next year

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2)honestly thinkin about going out there is scary
3) meatgrinder- i dont want to get hurt/taken out cause im slower than the guy behind me

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a few reasons for me
1) i dont think im ready to ride at that level yet- theres ameteur adn expert levels but nothing for those just starting out
2)honestly thinkin about going out there is scary
3) meatgrinder- i dont want to get hurt/taken out cause im slower than the guy behind me
4)it seems like its an all or nothing jump up for me
5)equipment was a reason before i got my 600
6)money though its doesnt really count cause i blow shitloads on trackdays
So basically it's about growing a pair of balls? I see...

Pull the trigger Jason, you're a good enough rider and it will improve your skills.

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im gonna say"maybe next year" I said that about track days in 08 though too...


yes it is about growing a pair... im getting encouragement to go out and try it now from more than 1 person... and it being something that im already thinking about doing, its really only a matter of time/moment of impulse to sign up for race school

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I'd like to get into racing eventually, but I know I'm nowhere near that pace. Also having done all my track days in Beginner/Novice I don't know or understand the fundamentals of passing. It seems like it's not something the trackday organizers/CRs really teach. Once I pick up the pace and become enough of a well rounded rider that I can pass comfortably at any track, I'd definitely consider racing. Hopefully that's not too far off.

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I've been thinking about it this year, I've never really looked into it until recently. So I will be checking some stuff out for next year

But I'm with Jason on a few things below
Do it Shelly!

I can't guarantee that nothing will happen, 'cos it's racing... but if you sign up for the women's middleweight class, you're racing with the F40 guys, and it's far less scary than the regular middleweight classes. They are fast, and they're competitive, but they're typically pretty courteous. You'll get brushed, and they'll be close, but compared to other classes, it's pretty tame. (FMMW starts behind F40, so you'll get passed when they lap you, and the speed difference is so much that they'll be gone before you notice they were even there.) The guys in the lightweight classes are pretty cool too. Srsly. I'm the biggest chickenshit in the world, and the only time I've ever been spooked was during practice with the regular middleweight riders.

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I am not fast enough, and I don't have a bike that would qualify for entry. Also, right now I don't have enough money to buy another bike. My ultimate goal is to get into racing. Maybe next year or the year after.
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What's the difference in cost between a track day and a race day? How much time is spent on the track during a race versus the 6-7 20 minute sessions?

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What's the difference in cost between a track day and a race day? How much time is spent on the track during a race versus the 6-7 20 minute sessions?
^^ This

And do I have to do anything differently to the bike than I do for track days?

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I will maybe race in AMA superbike for my first race and already race world superbike after. Then maybe GP. I first will have to lose my big muscles because already I can't fit into suit.
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What's the difference in cost between a track day and a race day? How much time is spent on the track during a race versus the 6-7 20 minute sessions?
hahaha, heres my take on track days/and eventually racing, you cannot look at the costs per amount of track time/usage it doesnt pay off...ever

that said, its not gonna be cheap
i figure 1 trackday= about entering 1 race+ a practice


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I plan on it, I hope to get back on an SV next year and get back into trackdays. I won't race until I'm vested at work, so I have 4 years to go My reason would be I'm way to competitive... it's all or nothing
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Here is what has gone through my mind

Not fast enough.
Racing isn't like it used to be - half the fast CR's are "amateur" racers. The whole do 300 track days then go race thing has made it even more difficult to start out.

Health insurance doesn't cover you if you crash. Thus far I have been lucky at the track, but on the street when I broke my leg the bill was about 300k.

I make dick for money nowadays

Living expenses are about 3x what they were when I made good money

Not even sure what class I would be allowed in, think I would have to run superbike because my motorcycle has a double bubble windscreen on it (and that's just retarded)

Truth is I took the class and got my CCS AM back in 2004 with the intention of doing it before I ever did my first track day (just one school before) - ended up getting laid off the week before LCR - Racing without a job isn't such a good idea.. Not even I am that stupid. I still have it on the bucket list... Even if I finish 2nd to last (ok.. I don't want to be last.. but anything else.. ok) I'd love to at least just once get out there and grid up.

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a few reasons for me
1) i dont think im ready to ride at that level yet- theres ameteur adn expert levels but nothing for those just starting out
2)honestly thinkin about going out there is scary
3) meatgrinder- i dont want to get hurt/taken out cause im slower than the guy behind me
4)it seems like its an all or nothing jump up for me
5)equipment was a reason before i got my 600
6)money though its doesnt really count cause i blow shitloads on trackdays

Horse shit.

What do you perceive the race pace to be? Novice is exactly that - people just starting out.

How is it any scarier than a track day? First time I hit the track I could have shit diamonds I was so uptight and anxious.

I don't get the all or nothing part. What do you mean there?

If you are doing track days, you have the equipment.

My backstory: Started doing trackdays in 02 or 03 on my SuperHawk. Started getting faster and thought that balling that bike up would suck so I bought a 2002 R6 that was a previous race bike. Rode that for a summer and found a sweet RC-51. Rode that for 4 track days in 2005 and crashed it at Autobahn. The bike and I were repairable, but I found out the following day my wife had leukemia. End of track days.
Fast foreward to last fall. Local club is intorducing a Ninja 250 class. I buy two wrecked Ninja's, fix one and sell it to pay for the race bike. Took the new riders school and built the bike over the winter.
May of this year was the first race weekend. Did my new riders stuff in 34 sleet and snow. New rider race and first real race the following day in better conditions. Going into this weekend I am the class points leader through sheer consistancy.
I agree that some classes are total meatgrinder, but the new rider instructors will not allow anyone who is in thier opinion shady to get their race license. There are standards to be met just like at most track days.
I only ever made it to 'I' with NESBA, so I'm not some motorcycle genius.

If you are even thinking about racing, I'd say DO IT.

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I have been too lazy to get a license (That might be changing shortly)
I am trying to refine my skills at track days before I try and compete. I don't have enough experience under my belt. When I do something competitive, I want to be good at it.
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I will maybe race in AMA superbike for my first race and already race world superbike after. Then maybe GP. I first will have to lose my big muscles because already I can't fit into suit.
The sponsers will get you a new suit. Just stay focused on racing and don't forget, you're a winner no matter what!
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its not the pace, its the style of riding for me, i think i can handle the pace

it is scarier that a track day, if i dont feel like pushing it and working hard in a session on a track day i dont have to, racing... its balls to the wall when the flag drops, plus my 1-2 sessions at track days are generally taking it easy it gets my head in the riding frame of mind and whatnot

all or nothing- i meant that theres no real way to ease into it, Ive seen the amateur racing and jeebus the riding is agressive and fast,

equipent- i was refering to my 03 1k i was scared enough to take it on the track, im definately not gonna race that bike, i have a newer 600 now, ill take that out there
i still need/want warmers if i go out

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Horse shit.

What do you perceive the race pace to be? Novice is exactly that - people just starting out.

How is it any scarier than a track day? First time I hit the track I could have shit diamonds I was so uptight and anxious.

I don't get the all or nothing part. What do you mean there?

If you are doing track days, you have the equipment.

My backstory: Started doing trackdays in 02 or 03 on my SuperHawk. Started getting faster and thought that balling that bike up would suck so I bought a 2002 R6 that was a previous race bike. Rode that for a summer and found a sweet RC-51. Rode that for 4 track days in 2005 and crashed it at Autobahn. The bike and I were repairable, but I found out the following day my wife had leukemia. End of track days.
Fast foreward to last fall. Local club is intorducing a Ninja 250 class. I buy two wrecked Ninja's, fix one and sell it to pay for the race bike. Took the new riders school and built the bike over the winter.
May of this year was the first race weekend. Did my new riders stuff in 34 sleet and snow. New rider race and first real race the following day in better conditions. Going into this weekend I am the class points leader through sheer consistancy.
I agree that some classes are total meatgrinder, but the new rider instructors will not allow anyone who is in thier opinion shady to get their race license. There are standards to be met just like at most track days.
I only ever made it to 'I' with NESBA, so I'm not some motorcycle genius.

If you are even thinking about racing, I'd say DO IT.

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So many people say this, and it's not true. I don't care who you are or when you started track riding, your speed doesn't matter. You'll get faster by racing.

There's fun to be had even if you're a backmarker.
So so true. I was more or less plateaued doing track days. Started doing CCS and my laptimes dropped faster than a drunken sorority girl's panties.

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