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How do you prepare for a cold/possibly rainy track day

This weekend looks to have a high of about 51 and a slight chance of rain. I figure I'm am going to wear my winter underarmor, but after that I don'w know. Atleast my suit is not perforated. I own a cheap vynal rainsuit that works reasonable well when standing out in the rain. I doubt it will work too well at speed, but something will be better than nothing. As for riding I figure pace will be a little slower because of the cold, and consideraby slower if it starts to drizzle. Other than be smooth, any tips for gear or riding?

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If you're riding in the rain, use rain tires. As for gear, I've had my leathers soaked and they still looked new afterward. I wear cold gear under if it's a bit cold, but my suit is perforated. Too many layers under the suit will hinder movement, and you don't want that.

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pay attention to your tire pressures set them first thing in teh morning

the colder it gets the more I allow my bikes engine to idle up to temperature too. when its warm out Ill idle the bike up to about 130 water temp on teh gauges before the riders meeting then shut it off until a little before its time to go out, the colder it gets the hotter ill warm it up to since it cools more quickly between shutoff and going out. my throey behind this is it helps get the whole engine and drive train up to a more normal working temp before actually working.

a sweatshirt or hoodie put on over your leathers makes a huge difference

give your tires ample time to warm up, the newer they are the better, as usual
remember your bikes suspension is cold too and takes even longer to warm up. last weekend at autobahn made this quite evident to me, he suspension felt almost sluggish to react for the first couple sessions and I had traction issues een with my tires having been on warmers. after the bike itself warmed up these problems went away for me


as for riding in the rain for a track day... I dont, ive tried it a few times adn didnt like the feeling of it, plus since theres nothing to gain its not worth the risk to me

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for me at rd atlanta it was going to pour the first half

went to walmart and got that spray for leather shoes to keep them dry and sprayed everything -leathers, gloves, boots. worked great !!!

got some rain-x for the visor

remember to be softer on brakes try to keep bike upright and lean off
if you go wide just ride it out don't hit the front brake

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i dont let rain stop me if i'm at the track, just take it easy in the turns, hope your tires are soft and have ok tread, there is alot of traction to be had in the rain surprisingly, i started riding on the east coast so rain doesnt bother me as much as some, be extra smooth with everything you do out there and use duct tape on your rainsuit before it rips if you have any doubts about it holding up, rain-X your sheild if its really gonna rain, but i think you'll just get a few sprinkles, and bring extra gloves in case your first pair get soaked, but it would need to rain alot for that
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Latex gloves under your gauntlets and a $5 balaclava. Goes a LONG way in keeping warm/dry.

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Keep the bike in the trailer. LOL

Seriously though I would not worry about your tires heating up because they won't. The will be cold by the time you roll back to your pits. Keep the tire pressure on the lower end of your spectrum. I always keep a chart on what pressures I am running at what track and what temp the track is throughout the day. If it is raining dial it down a knotch or 2 and ride like youare on ice. Smooth transitions and smooth on the throttle and brakes. If you bike is set up stiff for racing back out the preload a couple of clicks until it feels right for you.

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Latex gloves under your gauntlets and a $5 balaclava. Goes a LONG way in keeping warm/dry.
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Soften suspension a few clicks, probably less pressure in tires but check to see what kind of rise you get from cold versus hot (around 6psi +/-), duct tape over your nose so you don't fog up the inside of your shield, synthetic clothes underneath leathers, lightweight rain suit if you don't mind throwing it out after you crash, and rain tires so you can have a frickin' blast out there.

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Keep the bike in the trailer. LOL

Seriously though I would not worry about your tires heating up because they won't. The will be cold by the time you roll back to your pits. Keep the tire pressure on the lower end of your spectrum. I always keep a chart on what pressures I am running at what track and what temp the track is throughout the day. If it is raining dial it down a knotch or 2 and ride like youare on ice. Smooth transitions and smooth on the throttle and brakes. If you bike is set up stiff for racing back out the preload a couple of clicks until it feels right for you.
<------------- thats how you prepare for a cold & rainy track day

my tires didn't react well when we had the cold temps at acc south this past weekend, even right off the warmers & waiting till the session started i kept getting slides no matter what i did, it didn't get better until after lunch & a little bit of sun poked out. I was gonna do this weekend but after seeing the temps, i'm bowing out

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Check your tire pressures. If you have rains or street tires. The proper pressure allows them to hold their shape and displace water through the tread. You don't want to run less pressure to increase contact patch. They aren't going to heat up as G2G said. So pressure is key to displace water.

Lost of body position. 100x smoother adding throttle and brakes. There is plenty of traction for braking but you have to transfer the weight smoothly. Never lead the engine with the throttle. Meaning don't roll it wide open when your at 6k on the tach with a 15k redline. When it breaks loose, the engine just revs and your on your head. If you feed the power in slowly with the throttle, slightly leading the RPM's with throttle application, you might be able to sustain the spin till the traction returns.

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Go to the track and ride. Simple enuf.

Raining - buy a set of rain tires from me - $100
Moist - Street tires
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Also one thing that helped me was ride up one gear . So instead of being in 2nd gear be in third. This was how I did it on my low HP bike (sv650) might not work for other big HP bikes.
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Raining - buy a set of rain tires from me - $100
that's really good, cheap insurance right there! i'd definitely take him up on his offer...

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Also one thing that helped me was ride up one gear . So instead of being in 2nd gear be in third. This was how I did it on my low HP bike (sv650) might not work for other big HP bikes.
I try not to do it. But if everyone has their way. Be careful not to do what I described above. When it does break loose it's gone before you know it. I mean you realized you've done it because you see your bike sliding faster then your sliding and wonder what happened.

All that potential energy is waiting in the throttle hand. When the tire breaks loose, it all happens to quick.

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that's really good, cheap insurance right there! i'd definitely take him up on his offer...
i might too
Wink - you have those in petite sizes?
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i have some used b-stones, 120/165. the only problem is that i want to have them with me for my last trip to putnam in a few weeks - just in case. i can sell them to you under the condition that i get to still take them with me to putnam, and if i end up using them, i'll just buy them back. otherwise you can keep them for yourself. would that work? did i just make sense?

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Thanks for the tips so far. I deffinately was planning on spraying all my leather with the waterproofing spray. I will have to go into my skiing gear and grab my baclava. Great tips for staying warm/dry.
As for my tires, I have Pilot Powers with one day in the slowest B group at ACC on them. They are very soft and have allmost no milage on them. I don't have a spare set of rims, so a set of rain tires would cost me a boat load to mount or unmount at the track. I have glanced rain tires over before but have never seen any in a 150 width before. I can't fit a 160 on my bike without rubbing. I've heard good things about Powers in the wet, so I hope they will work ok.

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I have worn frogtoggs over my leathers in the rain and it worked great- just keeping the wind off really keeps you warm and they allow for full movement (rather than stuffing sweaters under leathers and binding up)

other than that basically every tip I was going to offer already came out on here.

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pilot powers are about the best DOT non rain tire you can have on the track. You should be fine.
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Jordan - I'll think about it. No rush on it either way.. My season is done
ah, perfect! i thought you were going to one more day. i'll get in touch with you after putnam then.

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ah, perfect! i thought you were going to one more day. i'll get in touch with you after putnam then.
I never checked with Fred re my crash / mech credits - I crashed first day of the chili cookoff - perhaps a bit too much throttle (not much) and too much lean angle for conditions and my location on the track.

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Say something in SV650?
Not sure about that, I'd have to check for you. I know I have 180s in rain sets that are barely used, that I need to get rid of. I can look when I get home this weekend for the SV size.

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wink i may take you up on a set of those rains 120/70 & 180/55 & do you by chance have any sc2 take offs?

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ok i'll keep them in mind, i have near new sc2 front & jordan was looking to see what he had for rear's & i believe spooner is checking as well

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