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At what point should one move on to something else?

I just had my second consecutive crash last weekend, third overall. It pissed me off so bad that I wanted to go back out there and fuck up that corner. Thankfully, with the help of a bunch of people, I was able to get back on the track and not leave without getting another shot to redeem myself. But I'm starting to feel like crashing is becoming a habit.

When something defeats me or if I completely suck at something, I want to come back harder and beat it or work harder to get better at it. So is the case with the track and swimming (though now I'm just starting to get it after SIX MONTHS ). If I gave up, it would eat at me because it would show a total lack of heart on my part.

It kills me because I know I can do better than how I'm doing now. It also kills me that people are saying under their breath or to other people that that I SUCK at this shit. Which is why I want so bad to grid up and race and prove them wrong. But at what point should I give up and move on to something else? Am I being too stubborn for my own good?


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I think you are looking at it too hard. If you really want to learn at an accelerated pace, why not do one of the high end schools like the Yamaha one?

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Fuck no. Keep at it and get faster those muttering under their breath.
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I think you are looking at it too hard. If you really want to learn at an accelerated pace, why not do one of the high end schools like the Yamaha one?

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Maybe next year but I can't afford that right now.

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crashing is part of the game but you also won't develope as a rider/racer if you don't understand why you are crashing. If you need to prove something to others, there's no better when than to enter a race and check the fuck out and win it but it also don't mean jack shit with yellow plates

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If that was the case with me I wouldn't have made it past the first race. Crashing doesn't necessarily mean you can't do something, it just means you are surpassing your skills or the bike's ability. Keep at it if you can afford it.

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crashing is part of the game but you also won't develope as a rider/racer if you don't understand why you are crashing. If you need to prove something to others, there's no better when than to enter a race and check the fuck out and win it but it also don't mean jack shit with yellow plates


with maybe sort of the exception of the 2nd one, i know exactly what i did wrong on all my crashes.

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Who are you trying to impress? Your sponsors?? And what do you get for proving "them" wrong? Are they people you respect laughing at you or just some jokers you could'nt give a shit about?

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Bro you had 3 crashes total. I've crashed more than that in one weekend when I started. As a matter of fact, I crashed twice in a GTO race in 1990 at BHF. I ended up taking a ambulance ride but that's besides the point. This is how it works. You crash and you think to yourself I can't do this shit no more. Fuck this I'm done. A few days go by and you're dying to get out there again and more determined than ever. That's how it is. Now learn from it and go get all side ways lighting that rear up in front of the naysayers and blind them with the awesome smoke coming off the tires.

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crashing is part of the game but you also won't develope as a rider/racer if you don't understand why you are crashing. If you need to prove something to others, there's no better when than to enter a race and check the fuck out and win it but it also don't mean jack shit with yellow plates
Just keep on going, find out what you did wrong, correct it and fix it, have your bike checked and setup so you can eliminate that as an issue. I had a talk with Scotty Ryan this weekend and told him what happend to me and he pretty much told me that what everyone told me was exactly what needed to happen.


It's also early in the season, tune it down and reset yourself.


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First off, I have never heard anybody say that about you.

Second off, you dont have to crash to go faster, but.............

It will take more seat time to get fast. Take baby steps and dont expect to gain 5 seconds a weekend. Sounds to me like you are trying TOO hard and not mastering any single aspect of your riding. Concentrate on one turn, skill, line, marker at a time until you are good at it. Sure, your times and pace will only progress slowly, but it will be cheaper and less painful. The result will be more enjoyment for you. From a purely entertainment standpoint as well as a personal satisfaction in your achievement as you reach multiple SMALL goals you set for yourself one at a time. Part of the learning game is building confidence, and there is no better way to do that than being successful at accomplishing something. As an adult you will be resistant to learning if you are not getting desired results.

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To go fast, you must slow down young grasshopper. Crashing doesn't mean you suck, it means you made a mistake. If you slow down a bit, you might be able to correct those mistakes before you crash.

I know I'm not fast, and I know I want to be fast, but I also know my pace to learn might be slower than others. I'm totally fine with that, and I think that's where you're missing the point. Sure, there will be some fast fuckers on their first trackday. I'm definitely jealous of their skills, but I don't need to keep up on a trackday. If it takes me 4 or 40 trackdays to get to good pace, I'm happy as long as I get there in a safe manner. If you only measure your pace with others, you'll never win.

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shiiiit ill tell you to your face that you suck at this



Its just a track day, ease up a little and stop pressuring yourself to go faster.

It was weird conditions on sat with the wet/dry alternations it caught up a lot of people not just you. It seems that you are focusing a lot on going faster more than anything else, if youre running a lap timer Id suggest you take it off the bike and leave it in the box. I didnt bother with mine on sat since if its not there, then there is no way I can worry about lap times.

My focus has never been on going faster its been on doing it better, being more consistent, more precise. As I got better my speed picked up in turn but I wasnt pushing to go faster

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So explain in full detail why you think you crashed all three times. If you can't recall you aren't learning anything. Did you wack the gas on or off too hard? Did you start to slide a little and grab a big handful of brakes? Did you not turn your head far enough and look where you wanted to go? What happened?

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Was this at Autobahn? Because the race track was really green and never completely dried all day. Those race track conditions quickly weed out riders who don't have discipline enough to chill out.

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Was this at Autobahn? Because the race track was really green and never completely dried all day. Those race track conditions quickly weed out riders who don't have discipline enough to chill out.
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So explain in full detail why you think you crashed all three times. If you can't recall you aren't learning anything. Did you wack the gas on or off too hard? Did you start to slide a little and grab a big handful of brakes? Did you not turn your head far enough and look where you wanted to go? What happened?
1st crash - Road Atlanta, second time at the track. Wanted to impress the NESBA CR's and get bumped on my first ever NESBA day. On turn 5, the left hander going up hill I wanted to clip the apex but I ran the wrong line going into it. Front wheel hit the curbing at the apex and lost the front.

2nd crash - Autobahn Turn 8, Labor Day weekend. I think I went into it too hot and lost the front end and lowsided. There were a lot of cold tire crashes that day. Later found out that my tire pressure was too high, about 10lbs higher than it should be.

3rd crash - Autobahn, Turn 4, last weekend. Didn't even go an entire lap to let the tires warm up. Gassed it coming out of the turn, an area that saw a lot of crashes, and spun out the rear end. I gassed it because I was trying to keep up with the people in front of me when I should have waited at least a lap or two. Yeah I know, stupid.

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When did you crash??? After I left?
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Did he hit a water patch? There were streams
Of water in 4, 7 and 8 all day. That crash truck worked over time on Saturday. I saw 3 or 4 front row seat myself. The bike would ever so slight start to slide and all 3 crashes I saw the rider wacked the gas shut and front end just went "POOF" and the rider was on his head.

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Of water in 4, 7 and 8 all day. That crash truck worked over time on Saturday. I saw 3 or 4 front row seat myself. The bike would ever so slight start to slide and all 3 crashes I saw the rider sacked the gas shut and front end just went "POOF" and the rider was on his head.
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Of water in 4, 7 and 8 all day. That crash truck worked over time on Saturday. I saw 3 or 4 front row seat myself. The bike would ever so slight start to slide and all 3 crashes I saw the rider sacked the gas shut and front end just went "POOF" and the rider was on his head.
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with water on the track your tires will never really get much heat in them so youll need to ride accordingly

I used warmers on sat and could tell no difference in traction wether I used them or not, thee was a session that I did not have them on and I took it a bit easier at the start.. granted im using pures which do not need warmers but having them on certainly didnt hurt anything

4 was a slick corner with the water and i felt the bike wiggle thru there countless times it does not surprise me it caught a lot of people since it exits into a part of the track that you can carry a lot of speed through and people want to get on it there to maximize the results for the the straight after 5

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