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Hello I've got my rear tire looking almost perfect but my front has had a lot of buildup. What does this mean, was the front pressure too low? On my rear the only issue I see is just a little bit of buildup on the leading edge of the sipes, it so small it's probably not an issue but what corse of action would be taken to reduce that?

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thats pickup from teh ground... not your tire, it peels off

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thats pickup from teh ground... not your tire, it peels off
But its sticking to the tire way more than I've ever seen in the past which makes me think my front tire is running to hot or something.

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Do you think the fact it has 8 trackdays on it has anything to do with it?

Have you ever done a weight bias on your bike? At least 51% should be on the front wheel.

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This doesn't really answer your question, but my tires look pretty similar. If I feel like it, I scrub the front between sessions, comes right off.

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Do you think the fact it has 8 trackdays on it has anything to do with it?

Have you ever done a weight bias on your bike? At least 51% should be on the front wheel.
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the front is about gone, you could prob get the morning with it, the rear you may be able to flip and grab a morning out of it, the collection is pretty normal, all of my tires do it, its from coming in on pit lane etc.. or pitting out. i've been running 33 front & 28 rear, off of palella's recommendation and the tires wear extremely well.

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i wouldnt race on those knowing their age

as for the amount of pickup i think it depends on the path you take off the track more than anything, all about how much of the crap you roll thru


nick is that bias with the rider on the bike?

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i wouldnt race on those knowing their age

as for the amount of pickup i think it depends on the path you take off the track more than anything, all about how much of the crap you roll thru


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No. The machine static. I think some people are running a higher percentage than 51% on the front. I heard numbers as high 53 or 54% at the AMA tech booth.

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Just keep riding it, and when the front washes out, you'll know for sure that it's time to change them. Best part - you didn't take the tire off until you got the FULL use out of it.










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Oh no, these tires have been replaced for this weekend, I'm not riding them anymore lol...

Nick, no i've never done a weight bias on it, do you think the GF would notice the bathroom scale missing for a while? lol...

Glad to hear the pickup is normal.

Can't wait to ride it again with a fresh set of rubber, that front was the first DOT front I had used (and the previous rear was the first DOT rear) and I just remember being blown away by how great the bike felt with the fresh sticky tires (Nothing against the TD tires I was using before but the difference a good set of DOTs makes is incredible). This will be the first time since then on a fresh set front and rear

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Oh no, these tires have been replaced for this weekend, I'm not riding them anymore lol...

Nick, no i've never done a weight bias on it, do you think the GF would notice the bathroom scale missing for a while? lol...

Glad to hear the pickup is normal.

Can't wait to ride it again with a fresh set of rubber, that front was the first DOT front I had used (and the previous rear was the first DOT rear) and I just remember being blown away by how great the bike felt with the fresh sticky tires (Nothing against the TD tires I was using before but the difference a good set of DOTs makes is incredible). This will be the first time since then on a fresh set front and rear
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two things:
a) bike year is low . Should be 09 or higher.
b) Front tire pressure is way too low. Should be 33 if it is a new SC1 front.

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Exactly. Does the bike feel good? Does it feel like it's doing anything funny? If it feels stable ride the shit out of it. If you look at your tires and even for a fraction of a second wonder if you should change them. Do it.

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Exactly. Does the bike feel good? Does it feel like it's doing anything funny? If it feels stable ride the shit out of it. If you look at your tires and even for a fraction of a second wonder if you should change them. Do it.
lol i had this exact conversation w/ palella at acc, he asked me the same questions, said "so, jeff whats stopping you from hitting the 7's, bike feel funny, is it pushing on you, is it sliding etc.. " and my reply was "nope, i'm just being a puss for some reason" LOL

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lol i had this exact conversation w/ palella at acc, he asked me the same questions, said "so, jeff whats stopping you from hitting the 7's, bike feel funny, is it pushing on you, is it sliding etc.. " and my reply was "nope, i'm just being a puss for some reason" LOL
My tire wear was perfect until I started chasing his ass. Then I was getting down in the corner and not being smooth and started tearing the tire up. Damn Pallela ruined my rear tire.

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My tire wear was perfect until I started chasing his ass. Then I was getting down in the corner and not being smooth and started tearing the tire up. Damn Pallela ruined my rear tire.
send him a bill mine surprisingly wore great all weekend, the front and rear are now cashed though LOL

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send him a bill mine surprisingly wore great all weekend, the front and rear are now cashed though LOL
I'm taking that Disalvo school at Barber in September. I'm hoping to come out of that with something learned. I'm at the point where my riding has become kind of stagnent. I feel like I'm riding well, good and smooth but I want more. I really need to get on a 600. The Aprilia is the shit but it's big. I cannot physically get my upper body off the bike enough. If I have my hand on the hand grip my elbow cannot make it past the gas cap because my arms aren't long enough. The bike is too big and I'm a short stubby midget.

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I'm taking that Disalvo school at Barber in September. I'm hoping to come out of that with something learned. I'm at the point where my riding has become kind of stagnent. I feel like I'm riding well, good and smooth but I want more. I really need to get on a 600. The Aprilia is the shit but it's big. I cannot physically get my upper body off the bike enough. If I have my hand on the hand grip my elbow cannot make it past the gas cap because my arms aren't long enough. The bike is too big and I'm a short stubby midget.
i was looking at those classes, and they look like alot of fun, i just need them to make their way closer (which nick said they're working on?) , having a 6mo old boy & work kills the distance stuff for me, & i'm glad to hear that i'm not the only one with short arms LOL, its one of the main reasons i can't sit further back in the seat than i'd like

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I'm taking that Disalvo school at Barber in September. I'm hoping to come out of that with something learned. I'm at the point where my riding has become kind of stagnent. I feel like I'm riding well, good and smooth but I want more. I really need to get on a 600. The Aprilia is the shit but it's big. I cannot physically get my upper body off the bike enough. If I have my hand on the hand grip my elbow cannot make it past the gas cap because my arms aren't long enough. The bike is too big and I'm a short stubby midget.
weird, my excuse is exactly the opposite ....

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I'm taking that Disalvo school at Barber in September. I'm hoping to come out of that with something learned. I'm at the point where my riding has become kind of stagnent. I feel like I'm riding well, good and smooth but I want more. I really need to get on a 600. The Aprilia is the shit but it's big. I cannot physically get my upper body off the bike enough. If I have my hand on the hand grip my elbow cannot make it past the gas cap because my arms aren't long enough. The bike is too big and I'm a short stubby midget.
Do you have clipons? If there's room you could slide the clipon tubes in to narrow the overall bar lengths a bit, but that doesn't always work if the controls are larger.

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i was looking at those classes, and they look like alot of fun, i just need them to make their way closer (which nick said they're working on?) , having a 6mo old boy & work kills the distance stuff for me, & i'm glad to hear that i'm not the only one with short arms LOL, its one of the main reasons i can't sit further back in the seat than i'd like
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weird, my excuse is exactly the opposite ....
Excuses excuses. We all have them. Maybe I don't want to die that's why I don't go faster. I've gone way too deep on the brakes on the Aprilia the last couple track days and nearly soiled myself.

I've never gotten to ride a bike with a slipper hard for a long period of time before. I got down into turn 5 at RA in July and I usually was going through there in 2nd. Well I accidently grabbed an extra down shift into first and the back end came way out and I just leaned back into dirtbike style and somehow made it through. Skeeerrrrie

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Do you have clipons? If there's room you could slide the clipon tubes in to narrow the overall bar lengths a bit, but that doesn't always work if the controls are larger.
I don't why I didn't think of that. I have a lot of room to move them in to. Thanks buddy, you're a genious!

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Oh no, these tires have been replaced for this weekend, I'm not riding them anymore lol...

Nick, no i've never done a weight bias on it, do you think the GF would notice the bathroom scale missing for a while? lol...

Glad to hear the pickup is normal.

Can't wait to ride it again with a fresh set of rubber, that front was the first DOT front I had used (and the previous rear was the first DOT rear) and I just remember being blown away by how great the bike felt with the fresh sticky tires (Nothing against the TD tires I was using before but the difference a good set of DOTs makes is incredible). This will be the first time since then on a fresh set front and rear
They had this really cool scale at the AMA tech building. Role the bike right up on it and it tells you exactly how much it weighs total and what percentage is on what wheel. I wonder how much going a mm one way in the front or the back with ride height changes the bias. If you had one you could sit there and have someone hold the bike really lightly and you could adjust the clevis on the rear shock and just watch it change on the display... sweeeeet

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Here you go, this is interesting...

Front-end weight is calculated as:

Wf=Wt(L-x)/L
Wf=front-end weight
Wt=total weight
x=distance from front axle to CG
L=wheelbase


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dustin, 33 front and 26.5 rear?

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