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Bike tracking for a beginner? Questions

What would be the ideal bike and track to start at for someone who has never tracked a bike before and wanted to get their feet wet? I kind of want to try it, however I won't be using my bike. It's too mint to take a chance and screw it up.

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Ironic user name is ironic lol.

Any bike that passes tech will do it, after that it is what you are comfortable with.

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any mechanically sound bike that is capable of highway speeds will get you done, you being comfortable on and with the bike is also quite helpful. I have seen quite a few ninja 250s out there doing just fine for example.


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Track riding all depends on your budget. A lot of people recommend SV's to start. I think an older 600 is a good choice for someone on a budget, if they have decent throttle control.

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What is required to pass tech?
I was actually thinking a ninja 250 or ex500 or older cbr


Is the front fairing with no headlight required or does everyone do it to save weight and not have it shatter on the ground?

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as long as the glass is covered with painters tape you'll be fine with a street bike. Check out sportbiketracktime.com and motovid.com for the different rules for each org. You should be fine as a beginner with a good set of tires, and taping the glass.

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What are the gear requirments?

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avoid the 250, your a big boy who know how to ride a 750, i would say the ex500 is a minimum but an old cheap sv650 is the optimum bike for first time and good enough to keep your interest after you figure a few things out, autobahn north course is probably your best bet as its a good safe track that close by and STT has a good beginner program
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required to pass tech:
bike in good repair(all controls work and are securely and firmly attached)
chain properly adjusted
tires in good condition
brakes with plenty of meat left on the pads
NO LEAKS

youd be fine on a 250 at the track, riding a 750 on the street has little to no bearing imho. an ex500 of f3 will be just fine as well

dont worrry about the bodywork, you dont even need bodywork at all, if you do run street bodywork youll need to tape up/remove all lights mirrors and license plates.

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you'll be bored going down a straigt on a 250 ninja at 85mph, the suspension sucks ass, all the components are cheap , alot of heavy steel parts, and it has skinny 16 in wheels that noone makes good rubber for, especially an older thrashed one you would be likely to buy for track use, you'd be shopping for your next track bike on monday
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avoid the 250, your a big boy who know how to ride a 750, i would say the ex500 is a minimum but an old cheap sv650 is the optimum bike for first time and good enough to keep your interest after you figure a few things out, autobahn north course is probably your best bet as its a good safe track that close by and STT has a good beginner program
I've learned allot racing the new gen 250 the last 2 years. Corner speed is your friend. One of the most fun times was the New Rider Race playing cat and mouse with some dude on a 600.

For track days though, I'd say an SV is a great way to start. TONS of info already out there on setups that work, they're going to be easy on tires and may be less apt to try and kill you in the learning process. My RC was not amused with ham fisted throttle inputs and protested its self into the pavement to prove it.

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you'll be bored going down a straigt on a 250 ninja at 85mph, the suspension sucks ass, all the components are cheap , alot of heavy steel parts, and it has skinny 16 in wheels that noone makes good rubber for, especially an older thrashed one you would be likely to buy for track use, you'd be shopping for your next track bike on monday
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The 2008 and up Ninjette's have 17" wheels that have good tire options available as well as any aftermarket part you'd want including a 290cc 'big bore'.
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Seriously though, great learning tool, but at big tracks like RA I'd worry about getting ass-packed on the straight. Top speed on a new Ninjette is @ 110.

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The 2008 and up Ninjette's have 17" wheels that have good tire options available as well as any aftermarket part you'd want including a 290cc 'big bore'.
Mine was set up with Bridgestone BT003's, Woodcraft clips on's and rear sets, Armor bodies bodywork, worked forks, Penske shock, Area-P full exhaust and Ivan's jet kit. I tell ya, it was the sweetest 34hp I've ever ridden.

Seriously though, great learning tool, but at big tracks like RA I'd worry about getting ass-packed on the straight. Top speed on a new Ninjette is @ 110.
i hear ya, but this guy is a bargain buyer, he aint spendin 4K on a 250 for trackday, much less what you put into yours on top of purchase price, i imagine a beat up 15 yr old ninja 250 in this scenario with 102 psi compression left , and used ninja 250's at this time of year are way overpriced hoping a newbie with cash comes along,,,, shit i ride an 04 gsxr 750 and i spent less than 2K putting that bike together, including the first set of new tires, lots o late 90's track bikes available for under 2K to get started on a budjet
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Ideally it would be a ex500 or older 600 because if any of you have seen the prices on the 250s lately. They are up there. And yes of course I want to do this on a budget because who knows if I will even like it or not.

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I remember my last track bike ('92 GSXR750) with Frankensteined fairings from different year bike. All lights were removed, some taped up their lights. Oil plug and oil filter were safety wired and side stand removed as these were required at Grattan Raceway in Michigan and Blackhawks Farm. I'm sure it's the same at other racetracks. Gears? you'll need helmet, leather gloves, boots up to 8" inches high (not at the heels) and a one piece race suit or two piece with zipper attachments for jacket and pants. Good Luck.

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Ninja 250 is BAD on the track. (assuming older version of 250) Bad brakes, and it easily overheats, and has no top speed on the straight.

SV650 or F4i are IMHO the best and the cheapest track solutions to EASILY get started. They both ride VERY well, are nimble, handle easily and are smooth and forgiving on the power.

Either can be had for $1500-3000 depending on what they have on them. Ride them on the track for a while and sell for about the same that you paid for them.

Your 750 is the old version, and is a little heavy and more difficult to ride on the track than either of my suggestions. The NEW 750 format is EXCELLENT on the track, and is OVERKILL for your skill set, and would only serve to slow down your on track learning.

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I agree. The 250 just isn't quite there. The SV is good. Plenty of torque so you don't have to shift it a lot or worry about what gear you're in. Top speed is probably in the 120's. Very reliable. Ton's of parts available.

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Pm me pics/price, I'm really in no rush. I gotta sell this conquest first.

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FWIW - Greg just got second in the nation on his SV. Good runner, great bike!

Also, he is Regional Champion in his race category on that bike. Greg will confirm, when he went from a 600RR to the SV, his lap times DROPPED, his form, line, braking and acceleration all improved MORE than significantly.

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Greg, what the hell are you thinking selling that SV? With that new bike arent you limiting yourself to heavyweight superbike or some shit?

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Gamble - Read up in the track forum, it lists what is needed to pass tech, what gear is needed, different org's and prices

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Nope.

You need either a 1pc leather suit, or a 2pc that zips 50% of the way around your waist. The little shorty 6" zippers won't cut it. STT rents out suits at their events. Boots should be over the ankle, but preferably taller, and gauntlet gloves.

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Also, while racing is not track days, the Ninja 250 spec class looks like a shartton of fun. Evenly spec'd and matched bikes makes for close racing and it's awesome.

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