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I hate MyLaps and waiting for NWGP to upload the Data

What are you guys using to track your lap times and how does it work? - I see cats using shit with a "Windows Based Phone" and shit but I want to keep this simple

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XT mini if you want to save some monies, XT ultra for a bit more functionality. You can usually find the ultra used for around a hundo.

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make sure you buy a beacon so I can just get a receiver.
or just get one of these.
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If you want new, buy one with GPS.

If not, there are plenty of used ones available, XT, AIM and others. I have a couple of used ones that I'd be happy to sell far cheaper than new ones, and they track your time the same.

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Okay, so, HOW DOES THIS WORK? - I get the transponder thing when the track has a timing system in place but how does it work with something on my bike?

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Every trackday or race I've been to, someone had a beacon. The laptimer gets the start/stop signal from the beacon. You can buy one yourself, but they are expensive.

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So I have to go around and ask "Is there a Beacon and if so where is it?" and then sync something to it? - Hmmmm

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No sync, the timer will pick it up. You just turn on your timer (or have it set to auto detect), ride, and review your times when you get back to the pits.

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no the beacon is nothing more than an IR emitter usually someone will place it close to the start finish line.

on the XTs all you gotta do is point the receiver window towards the beacon side of the track and have at it, the XT will turn on automatically on passing the beacon and count laps as you go past

then when youre done you get to fiddle with it and push buttons and such to review all your laps

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Get a gps one, my windows one is simple since you have a iphone, check out Harrys lap timer

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I use a small nylon camrea case zip ited to my crossbar pad and put it in there - no problems and all my data.

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GPS needs no beacon.

IR timers need a beacon.

I have a beacon I can sell as well

BTW - Beacons can be placed on the right or left of the track, the timer has a receiver, and it needs to be pointed to the correct side pointing towards the beacon.

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Is the big white box the Beacon? - Then the Timer attaches to the bike? - What is the other thing that is attached to the timer?

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Yes Bug, you have it correct.

The thing that attaches to the timer is the IR receiver that you point to the right or left for receiving the beacon signal.

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I went from the XT racing timer to the GPX timer this year.

The XT timer is pretty reliable and easy to use. You can do some setup for track names and things but it takes a while with just a couple buttons to input everything, it also needs to be told when you switch tracks, I usually forgot and have my lap times filed under the wrong tracks. It's durable and reliable though, as long as somebody has a transmitter out and you're sensor is facing the right way.


The GPX is great because you never need to worry about the IR transmitter, also, atleast so far, there isn't really any setup, you go out and ride, it auto detects the start finish line and saves your lap times. You can also wire in some datalogging (or not) and review your laps on the PC later. It's a really cool set of tools.

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Yes Bug, you have it correct.

The thing that attaches to the timer is the IR receiver that you point to the right or left for receiving the beacon signal.



Exactly ...... you put three patches of velcro on the bike.

One for the display somewhere you can see it.

Then one on the left side for the IR receiver where it can "see" sideways left.
Then one on the right side for the IR receiver where it can "see" sideways right.

Sometimes you get lucky and can position the receiver where you can just spin it 180, then you only need two.


The beacon get's placed next to the track pointing across.

When the bike passes the beacon and the IR receiver "sees" it, it resets the lap time.

Most all of the lap timers use the same beacon.


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I'm scared of lap timers that you can read during a session/race. I have been contemplating getting a Qstarz. If you want it just for reference, it may be the way to go.

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I'm scared of lap timers that you can read during a session/race. I have been contemplating getting a Qstarz. If you want it just for reference, it may be the way to go.
Yeah, I would actually place it somewhere on the bike that I could not see it so as not to be tempted to look at and lose focus

I just want to be able to get up to the back of the "pack" as I know I will never get as fast as the guys on "Built Machines" and if I can see where I am fastest and slowest, I can focus on what I am doing wrong in the slow and look at how I do it in the fast and try to balance out to decrease lap times - As I am getting more comfortable and trusting of my Susp and Tires, i am relaxing more and getting faster - To already be 4 seconds a lap off last seasons times is a big old fat fucking boner for me and I KNOW I can break into the 15s or maybe even the 14s if I try

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Yeah, I would actually place it somewhere on the bike that I could not see it so as not to be tempted to look at and lose focus

I just want to be able to get up to the back of the "pack" as I know I will never get as fast as the guys on "Built Machines" and if I can see where I am fastest and slowest, I can focus on what I am doing wrong in the slow and look at how I do it in the fast and try to balance out to decrease lap times - As I am getting more comfortable and trusting of my Susp and Tires, i am relaxing more and getting faster - To already be 4 seconds a lap off last seasons times is a big old fat fucking boner for me and I KNOW I can break into the 15s or maybe even the 14s if I try
I'd recommend a GPS timer then, it lets you analize your laps and compare one lap to another etc, this is what you need to see WHERE you're fast/slow. Especially if you can get somebody a little faster than you to do a lap or two with your timer on their bike, then you can compare your lap to theres and see where they are faster.

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I use both the XT Ultra and Android based Trackmaster. if you are going to use a trackmaster you should purchase an external GPS devices with 10Hz sampling rate.

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Especially if you can get somebody a little faster than you to do a lap or two with your timer on their bike, then you can compare your lap to theres and see where they are faster.
This is another thing I have been thinking about - I swapped bikes with our Buddy Phil who runs a Graves Built 450 ($4K Head Alone on it) and his bike is ALLL dialed in and fuck it was nice - he ripped mine and said that it was faster than his old stock yami 450 and my Susp was great, but needed to lose some of the dive so we dropped it a bit and made it a whole new bike as far as tip ins and front end plant in corners - This gave me the idea of getting a lap timer and letting him rip the turd to see where he is fast and where I am not

It was nice to hear that my lil 8 year old stock 450 impressed him though and he is a straight shooter who would tell me if the bike was crap or not

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It sounds like you want the Qstarz then. Small lightweight device held by a ziptie or velcro and you can download data from at 10hz sample rate. The fact that you can use it without any other device is cool, as long as you have the patience to wait to download the data.

I really just want you to to test it so I can decide.

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It sounds like you want the Qstarz then. Small lightweight device held by a ziptie or velcro and you can download data from at 10hz sample rate. The fact that you can use it without any other device is cool, as long as you have the patience to wait to download the data.

I really just want you to to test it so I can decide.
Thats what I am using, but mine is connected via bluetooth to my Android phone where I run the Trackmaster app. the complete package was under $70 for the external GPS and Trackmaster.

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It sounds like you want the Qstarz then. Small lightweight device held by a ziptie or velcro and you can download data from at 10hz sample rate. The fact that you can use it without any other device is cool, as long as you have the patience to wait to download the data.

I really just want you to to test it so I can decide.
The qstarz is nice, i have the qstarz bluetooth reciever linked to a Pocket pc, xv6900 windows mobile HTC, you can get them for around $20 on ebay and the qstarz for $75 or so, does 10HZ too. i love the data i get for a cheap intuitive lap timer. I get the data there on the track when i pull off and look at the Htc phone.
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The qstarz is nice, i have the qstarz bluetooth reciever linked to a Pocket pc, xv6900 windows mobile HTC, you can get them for around $20 on ebay and the qstarz for $75 or so, does 10HZ too. i love the data i get for a cheap intuitive lap timer. I get the data there on the track when i pull off and look at the Htc phone.
I have an old Windows Mobile phone. What software is used to read the data on the phone?

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Race chronos for pocket pc or mobile professional, free downloads awesome program very easy to learn as some of the other ones arent as intuitive.

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Well, lap times are up and my Qual of 1:16.4 is still my best time there - Race 1 had me in the 1:17s and Race 2 saw me down to 1:16.5 - Gotta find more speed and bigger balls

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