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post #1 of 43 (permalink) Old 12-12-2003, 03:39 PM Thread Starter
 
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I'm so glad I found this site...hopefully someone here can help me. I'm 17 years old and have been riding since I was about 10. I've ridden mainly off road (trials and enduros) but I would really like to get into road racing. I'm having difficulty deciding on a bike to get or where to find out more information. If you could, please give me any information possible. Thanks
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Are you a pretty small guy? Like 5'6" and 130-150? Are you at ease with wrenching on a bike? If so, why not run a 125cc two smoker? Ya would learn to corner real fast. Also they are pretty durable bikes.

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Are you a pretty small guy? Like 5'6" and 130-150? Are you at ease with wrenching on a bike? If so, why not run a 125cc two smoker? Ya would learn to corner real fast. Also they are pretty durable bikes.
Or an SV.. incredibly popular on the local club circuit. You may have to wait until you are 18 though. Lots of fun!

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Thanks to everyone so far, this site is awesome! I'm lookin into Nesba.com....Yes I am fairly small to answer your ?, about 5-9, 135lbs. However, I did worry a bit about the number of competitors in the 125cc class... As far as the SV racing, I will turn 18 in less than 1 month so that shouldn't be problem. I'll look foward to hearing more, Thanks again
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My $.02....

Get an already race prepped SV ($6000 will get you a nice one, w/ spares!). You won't out grow it for a really long time and it will continue to be the most competitive bike in it's class. Do a lot of track days and make sure you bring lots of attractive 18 year old girls to distract the rest of us.

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My $.02....

Get an already race prepped SV ($6000 will get you a nice one, w/ spares!). You won't out grow it for a really long time and it will continue to be the most competitive bike in it's class. Do a lot of track days and make sure you bring lots of attractive 18 year old girls to distract the rest of us.
Check SVrider.com classifeds section. Race bikes are starting to go for as little as $3500, albeit without much to spare. Shit, I saw one on there for $1800 (in Chicago even!!) I was thinking of buying it just for parts.

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*edit* Classifieds section of SVrider.com had a race prepped '99 SV in Detroit for $3900 (second ad, posted 12/11). I'll be thinking about this over the weekend. I can probably sell Pokey for almost that.

*edit to the edit* As I told Dave, Pokey won't be leaving my hands in one piece. Yeah, I could probably get this race prepped one for about $500 after selling Pokey, but I love the bike too much. So, I'll spend a grand race prepping Pokey. Is something wrong with me?

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Thanks to everyone so far, this site is awesome! I'm lookin into Nesba.com....Yes I am fairly small to answer your ?, about 5-9, 135lbs. However, I did worry a bit about the number of competitors in the 125cc class... As far as the SV racing, I will turn 18 in less than 1 month so that shouldn't be problem. I'll look foward to hearing more, Thanks again

You can race at 14 in CCS. I think WERA is about the same. Here thers about a whole 10 125's that run. SOmetimes theres only 5 all weekend.

I'd love to have one, but I'd look like a monkey humping a football on one.
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yet another question.....Will I have any trouble getting a racing license without street experience? Also, what parts on the bike are replaced the most? engine rebuilds, entry fees....etc..(i'm figuring out a budget to see how much I have to give up ..... Is there a store or website which everyone buys parts from?? thanks again to everyone!
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As I told Dave, Pokey won't be leaving my hands in one piece. Yeah, I could probably get this race prepped one for about $500 after selling Pokey, but I love the bike too much. So, I'll spend a grand race prepping Pokey. Is something wrong with me?
I'm doing the same thing. But selling the street stuff is working out in my favor, and buying used is the only way to go. That is if you are not in a hurry.

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yet another question.....Will I have any trouble getting a racing license without street experience? Also, what parts on the bike are replaced the most? engine rebuilds, entry fees....etc..(i'm figuring out a budget to see how much I have to give up ..... Is there a store or website which everyone buys parts from?? thanks again to everyone!
Check with Learning Curves for road racing license requirements. Is there ANY other racing school in the area?

Ebay, classfieds for the various race organizations are the best places for parts. But some stuff isn't readily available so you have to go to a dealer. Online there is Ron Ayers. It's about the cheapest, but can be slow.

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www.team-visionsports.com - "Super Dave" Rosno's school has been producing local champions for many years. Local, reasonably priced and best of all, he will continue working with you long after the class is over.

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Check with Learning Curves for road racing license requirements. Is there ANY other racing school in the area?

Ebay, classfieds for the various race organizations are the best places for parts. But some stuff isn't readily available so you have to go to a dealer. Online there is Ron Ayers. It's about the cheapest, but can be slow.

Budget...LOTS! Ask the real racers about budgeting.

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Ebay is definately the ticket for building a race bike. It takes patience though. Parts sometimes take time to show up. I built my 2001 race RC51 buying the bike and putting it all back together race prep close to 3500.00. There are awesome deals out there just be patient, do the research, and look in many different places.
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All you have to do to get a race license is go to the school and not crash. Seriously it doesn't take much at all to get one. Once you have it, or even before you get it I would definitely suggest some track days to get comfortable. Once you have track days down, then be ready for yet another change when you go race. It is competition, you will get rubbed, or bumped it is part of racing. So you want to be sure that you are comfortable and in control even when unexpected things happen.

Not trying to scare you, just want you to know what to expect so that it doesn't shock you much as it did me the first time I got clipped. It is definitely a different experience. Also far more pricey than track days. When I started I figured it would be about the same since entry fees equaled track day fees. But there are a lot of other costs involved, and you are usually dumping money into your race bike. Either to improve it or just to fix it.

As far as race prepping, their isn't a whole lot you have to do for an SV. There is a lot that you'll WANT to do but as far as what is required it is minimal. Since SV's don't require hardened case covers like my Gixxer did.
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If you're 17 and not independantly wealthy, I'd start saving your money now. LBK, Kruz, etc how much cash did you spend in '02 & '03 racing? $5 - 10k is very small budget to just get on the track. I hate to be a kill joy, but try a track day on your street bike 1st.

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2002 was my first season. Spent over $20,000, which included gear, parts, tires, fuel, transportation, fees for practice, track days and schools, license, bike, food, motel and ancillary expenses.

2003 was my second season. Spent around $15,000, which included more gear, parts, fuel, transporation, fees for practice, track days and schools, license renewal, food, enclosed trailer and ancillary expenses.

I hope to pursue a regional championship in 2004 (Roughly 12 race weekends plus practice days and schools). If I do so, I will probably spend another $15,000 easily.

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If you're 17 and not independantly wealthy, I'd start saving your money now. LBK, Kruz, etc how much cash did you spend in '02 & '03 racing? $5 - 10k is very small budget to just get on the track. I hate to be a kill joy, but try a track day on your street bike 1st.
Allen up to now I haven't kept track because I don't want to know. I will have to though because after we move the racing will definitely be more of a budgeted activity.

A lot of it depends on what you inlcude in the budget some things serve more than one purpose, and some things aren't neccessary but a nice to have.

Just taking a guess though I would probably say somewhere around or above that $5k number. A lot of this past year was spent on setup though, so those won't be expenses next year. Of course the money doesn't really get saved it will just get spent on doing more events.
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I hope to pursue a regional championship in 2004 (Roughly 12 race weekends plus practice days and schools). If I do so, I will probably spend another $15,000 easily.
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'02 very cheap for me:

ratty $1000 F2
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$140 used lap time - thanks John
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Allen must have assumed I was racing after he saw me tearing up Putnam.

I only had one race last year; and that was in the snow

I placed ahead of Jeff in that all important race.

Racing is defintely more expensive. Originally I thought it would be cheaper, but no way...per lap it's much more expensive.

It's just another expensive hobby to me...
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get the fuck out of here, you guys are spending upwards of 15k a season to go racing????

I thought drag racing my old cars was expensive...maybe I should rethink track days....
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I don't keep track of how much money I spend for track days and racing, and I don't want to know either.

I take it one weekend at a time. If I have the money that weekend to go out to the track then I do.

Simple as that.

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Racing can get very expensive if you run every single class you can race in. I ran 3 races a weekend for 10 weekends in 2002 and probably spent right around $6,000 not including the bike and tow vehicle. Of course it helped that I didn't crash at all that year. Last season, I raced 2 races per weekend for 4 weekends and probably got away with spending less than $2,000. It all depends on how you go about it. The more races you enter the more money you will spend on things like fuel, tires, crash spares, etc.. etc...

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Thats $1200 a weekend! Very discouraging! Oh well, see you at the track anyway.
Bear in mind, that is pretty much an all-inclusive figure for a full season of participation. Some dissection:

License renewal fee: $110 per year (that's the cheap part)
NESBA membership fee: $75 per year
STT membership fee: $25 per year

2-day SuperCamp dirt track school: $500 +/-
Other schools/instruction: Varies

NESBA weekends: Estimate $150 per day

STT weekends: Estimate $75 per day plus $10 gate fees for myself and crew chief

CCS practice days: Estimate $75 per day

Race entry fees $190 for 3 classes per event (Add another $120 if it is a "twin sprint" weekend). Multiply by 12.

Gate fee for myself and my crew chief: $70 per race weekend. Multiply by 12.

Kennel fees: $30 per day (figure minimum of 3 days per event weekend). Our dog is not racetrack-friendly.

Minimum of 6 sets of race tires (this will only increase as I get faster).

"Consumable" parts - extra clip-ons, rearsets, brake/clutch/shift levers, windscreens... fiberglass repair... motor oil and filters (changed after every event weekend)... hydraulic fluid (change after every other event weekend)

Race fuel: $3.95 per gallon, we bring roughly 15 gallons to every event.

Food and beverages for myself and my crew chief... propane for the gas grill...

Gas for the van (avg. 10 mpg.). It's 80 miles to Blackhawk from my house.

Routine maintenance for the van and trailer.

Insurance for the van, trailer and racebike
2 pair of gloves and 2 helmets per season

Big-ticket item for this year will be a generator (not all tracks have electricity available... oh yeah, you pay for that, too). Some tracks (Road America) charge you for staying overnight.

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Bear in mind, that is pretty much an all-inclusive figure for a full season of participation. Some dissection:

License renewal fee: $110 per year (that's the cheap part)
NESBA membership fee: $75 per year
STT membership fee: $25 per year

2-day SuperCamp dirt track school: $500 +/-
Other schools/instruction: Varies

NESBA weekends: Estimate $150 per day

STT weekends: Estimate $75 per day plus $10 gate fees for myself and crew chief

CCS practice days: Estimate $75 per day

Race entry fees $190 for 3 classes per event (Add another $120 if it is a "twin sprint" weekend). Multiply by 12.

Gate fee for myself and my crew chief: $70 per race weekend. Multiply by 12.

Kennel fees: $30 per day (figure minimum of 3 days per event weekend). Our dog is not racetrack-friendly.

Minimum of 6 sets of race tires (this will only increase as I get faster).

"Consumable" parts - extra clip-ons, rearsets, brake/clutch/shift levers, windscreens... fiberglass repair... motor oil and filters (changed after every event weekend)... hydraulic fluid (change after every other event weekend)

Race fuel: $3.95 per gallon, we bring roughly 15 gallons to every event.

Food and beverages for myself and my crew chief... propane for the gas grill...

Gas for the van (avg. 10 mpg.). It's 80 miles to Blackhawk from my house.

Routine maintenance for the van and trailer.

Insurance for the van, trailer and racebike
2 pair of gloves and 2 helmets per season

Big-ticket item for this year will be a generator (not all tracks have electricity available... oh yeah, you pay for that, too). Some tracks (Road America) charge you for staying overnight.


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