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Liter sized track bikes...?

Anyone else on a 600 or less getting frustrated at working your ass of in the turns only to be blown by a liter bike on the straights? I am...I admit it...Im not the fastest and I need the crutch! My 600 just doesn't have the HP especially with my 40lb spare tire

Just in case you are wonder/worrying, I've experienced quite a few incidents of 1000s parking it in the corners...I promise I won't be one of those guys.

My question to you all is.....what would make a great used late used 1000cc trackbike? I don't plan on racing, just want something with some more HP for trackdays. I really like the CBR1000RR, but am also considering an R1. Whatever I do choose, I want to make the aftermarket support is there in full force.

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Neaaahhhhh.....Zooks just don't do it for me. The TLR is too similar to the RC. I sold the RC after they phased out the V-twin. Fun to ride, but a little too heavy and costly to track prep.

Wha are most CCS guys running on the open classes? 1000cc Zooks....R1s? Are you seeing more CBR100RRs with the new model being so successful in AMA Superbike and World Superbike?
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john PLEASE come on bro, i have been battling suz 750's down the stright!

full blown 1000's arnt worth it. plus too remember we are doing track days not race days where we are seperated by engine size etc, to level the playing field somewhat, your fine bro, i didnt relaized me blowing by you on the stright was a mind trip, dont let that shit get to you, on a track day, you look awesome out there bro!



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Try a SV 1000 or a Superhawk. Both can be had cheap.

Actually, you should take a look at the 04 Gixxer 750. It's only 5 lbs heavier than a 600, but has 127 RWHP stock. With a few mods, I don't think those liter bikes will be passing you very often, if at all, on the straights. I got quoted $9200.00 OTD for one.

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if you can find a cbr954rr i think that would be a great bike, almost a liter bike and just as agile and flickable as a 600cc bike.

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zook 750.

you can try my R1 on the street if you want. Its got great motor.

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You, Sean, Jim, need to get 600s or Im coming up to a 1000

I felt good out there...
1. I know I need to work on my entry speed into T1...those dam bumps keep getting worse.

2. I suck at T4-5, don't have the right gear so Im forced to shortshift to where I lose all my drive. I go into the bustop fast, but exit horribly.

3. T6a I have to hold it near redline cause Im too chicken to shft at the apex.

4. I need to stopp coasting from the kink to T7.

My point is if I worked on all of those spots, I could shed 2-4 secs....or I could just get a 1000 and shed 2-4 secs.
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my thoughts exactly. I'm not sure I'd be much faster with more motor though.

From what I see, it appears that the current R1 or 750gsxr step up power, but still seem to turn well.

How about a 600 with a $10k motor????

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Well....take my word for what it's worth due to what you guys may consider lack of ability or experience.

R1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even the 98-01 walk down the straights with ease and are pretty comparable to a 600's weight and flickability. A few mods and you have one mean machine.

Ups...............aggressive stance, Great motor and power, lightweight, not as fat or hard to flick as the Gixxer, tons of parts on ebay and bike specific messageboards, enough torque to power through turns even in higher gears.

Downs..........twitchy throttle will teach you how to be smooth in the corners or pay dearly, Front suspension needs work right away especially for larger guys.


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Chris...thanks. Can I try it Wed evening from about 6-11pm?
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first off you wont shed 2-4 seconds off your time with the liter bike, at least not right away. im still WAY OVER BRAKING for turn 1 and thats where im losing all my time, you have so much more speed built up that you think you need to brake that much more and then when you go to throw it in its to slow. im slowly getting over that but it still alot if your not use to it. i loved my 750, but i dunno im thinking about a 600.

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Chris...thanks. Can I try it Wed evening from about 6-11pm?
should i strap a flashlight to my track heap and take that out for myself? haha!


bring your gear to bike night, you can take my R1 out for an extended test ride while I eat.

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That's way I went for a SV650 to a Zook 750. But even the 1000's run me if they park it in the corner and then go.

I'd love to have the SV on the track as it was easier to ride. Less weight.

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Kruz, I'm headed the opposite way you are. I'm trying to sell my (near) literbike to get a 636. I like having all that power on the straights, but I want something lighter for the corners and bus stop.

Like Jim said, I also WAY overbrake before T1... and I also coast through the kink before T7. I feel if I have a lighter bike I will be able to slow quicker.

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So whats wrong with parking it in the corners.

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I think he was being funny, weren't ya Champ???, that stuff happens In "I" and "B" from what I saw. I would think it would happen less in "A" but WTH do I know.

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Kruz,

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lol i just thought of something, John wanna trade bikes for a few session next track day?
you can then feel the power, you probably dont want and the extra effort you need to push it around, my bike isnt really that heavy it weighs right now 431 pounds with 3 gallons of gas in it.

which really isnt that bad at all!



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he should have kept his rc like i told him too. John seriously 2001-03 gsxr750!!

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Thanks Ken....Im not interested in pushing the 9 around. Im talking about something a year or two old tops. UR always welcome to try mine out though.

The zook 750 is a definite option....Im trying my best to resist I was trying to think of good excuses all the way home yesterday and didn't come up with many. It is a great trackbike...just so dam beastly looking.
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The RC was just too clean to make a track bike...I need something prepped and used.
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I have a little background in this subject. I have both my ZX-9R and my 03 R6. The R6 is nice for the weight and forgiveness of the throttle, but I know how you feel John. It sucks spending half your session trying to get around a guy that park it in the corners but scream down the straight.

My ZX handles close to the same as the R6, but it is far from stock to make it that way. It’s hard to believe there is 65 lbs difference between the two bikes. The only draw back to the 1000’s are you have to control the throttle coming out of the corners more. If not you can light up a rear tire quick and watch it step out and send you sliding (done this).

The biggest thing I like about the 1000’s is you can ride much more relaxed and pass people at much safer spots than on the brake or in the corner like when your on a 600. On my 600 I find myself pushing much harder than I want to too get around the guy that is holding me up on the bigger bike.

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You had the perfect bike but you sold it I don’t want to hear any more excuses, you are just like a woman… you don’t know what you want and you can’t make up your mind

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i am glad you brought this up actually now that i think about it, my bike handles close to what your 6 does john, remember i cam back in on gratten saying how light and how manageable it was to ride your bike?

thats how mine feels like now, and ofcourse like zeus it took some work to get it there, but thats why ya change out stock suspension anyway, its in the set up of someone knowing what there doing, sure you might move the bike around in the pits and it feels heavy, get it moving and youll be like...humm wild.

and like what was said, controling that power is alot of throttle management and what not, NOT TO MENTION HPR kills tires!...lol


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by the way im determined to get my 9 to handle like i want it to, i need to try zuess bike before i jump into it though!

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