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Why Americans don't like Road Racing?

All over the world motorcycle road racing is one of the MOST popular spectator sports! Racers are icons even great than ours, such as Micheal Jordan. There's thousands and thousands of fans filling all the grand stands and lining the entire tracks at every race however in the USA, NOT even motorcycle enthusists will make a trip to see a road race! Whats the DEAL?!?!? Anyone have any theories?

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Same reason NASCAR is NOT at all popular outside of America
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Seems to me that all the action has to occur right before your eyes, like in a NASCAR oval or NHRA drag racing for example.

Spectators lose interest as soon as the action goes beyond what they can see.

I've been to a NASCAR race (even though I'm not a fan at all), and it was amazing! TV makes it boring.

That's my theory...
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It's possible that it has a European or non-American flavor to it. There usually isn't an American bike in the field. It's a Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Ducati show. This is just an observation mind you. It doesn't have that uniquely American feel that NASCAR or drag racing has had over the years. I don't claim to fully understand this either, but this is what I see. Kinda like soccer.

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So far your all right, put two competing american brands in the race and watch how it takes off here. Americans live for rivalries especially team rivalries. put the Harley team in there competing against the (for example) the Indian team, now have someone talk some smak, bam now you got ticket sales in this country. Its a jerry springer world out there.




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harley was in it before and it did not do well

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harley was in it before and it did not do well
Yup they did not do well at all. plus I dont think they ran all the races (i could be wrong on that.) and they rarely if ever won. put a competitive amearican team in there and it could grow to a point but it will never be as big as football or something like that.




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Its a jerry springer world out there.
That sums it up there, I think that is unfortunately the largest number of people in America. They LOVE drama, heck look at all this reality TV. Whenever I tell someone I ride, they ask if I watch Orange County Choppers, why because it's Drama. Then take a look at NASCAR the majority of that is drama, drama in the pits, drama with the drivers, drama with the rules. I'd bet it's more that than it is even the brands being overseas.

If more people saw the whole Daytona Aaron Yates/Fania incident they'd become interested. If they saw the elbow incident between Biaggi and Rossi, they'd become more interested. But those things would have to happen ALL the time to keep them interested. Racing by itself isn't enough. That's my theory.
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That sums it up there, I think that is unfortunately the largest number of people in America. They LOVE drama, heck look at all this reality TV. Whenever I tell someone I ride, they ask if I watch Orange County Choppers, why because it's Drama. Then take a look at NASCAR the majority of that is drama, drama in the pits, drama with the drivers, drama with the rules. I'd bet it's more that than it is even the brands being overseas.

If more people saw the whole Daytona Aaron Yates/Fania incident they'd become interested. If they saw the elbow incident between Biaggi and Rossi, they'd become more interested. But those things would have to happen ALL the time to keep them interested. Racing by itself isn't enough. That's my theory.


Exactly thats why Nascar has Tony Stewert. its looking more and more like the wwf over there and the popularity is exploding.




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Exactly thats why Nascar has Tony Stewert. its looking more and more like the wwf over there and the popularity is exploding.


Funny I was going to compare it to WWF, but didn't want to offend anyone. I don't ever watch it but I saw a commercial and the guys line was "It's our job to break the rules, and it's their job to catch us"
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This question stumps the hell outta me.

I'm going academic on this one. I'm gonna search the 'net for some historian who specializes in the rise of this institution of professional spectator sports, e-mail and find out what he/she has to say.

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I think it's the stadium thing, if it was encapsulated in a stadium setting it might fly, like Nascar or Arenacross. Motorsport will never have the appeal that the big 3 team sports do in the US, period.

Harley should have one at Daytona when Scott Russell was riding for them but he was screwed by his pit crew. Oh well, we'll never know if the engine would've lasted.

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Yup they did not do well at all. plus I dont think they ran all the races (i could be wrong on that.) and they rarely if ever won. put a competitive amearican team in there and it could grow to a point but it will never be as big as football or something like that.
Actually thats not what i ment. what i was trying to say is that harley had a team and the fans still didnt come, thought this could be due to there inability to be competitive.

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I think part of the problem is that people don't relate to having a motorcycle.

Also you have to kind of know whats going on.. for instance when you see someone "back it in" all the motorcycle riders in the room will go whooooa .. but others don't know what they are looking at.


On the other side many people had or wanted some type of hot rod car as they were growing up and can relate to (the pictures of the cars on the common templates) also there is the satisfaction of seeing one driver bump another when they are too slow. kind of like performing road rage through the drivers they are watching.

I used to be a Nascar fan but as its getting more and more politically correct I'm fading fast.. (I still like Bristol)

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So far your all right, put two competing american brands in the race and watch how it takes off here.
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Seems to me that all the action has to occur right before your eyes, like in a NASCAR oval or NHRA drag racing for example.

Spectators lose interest as soon as the action goes beyond what they can see.

I've been to a NASCAR race (even though I'm not a fan at all), and it was amazing! TV makes it boring.

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Harley should have one at Daytona when Scott Russell was riding for them but he was screwed by his pit crew. Oh well, we'll never know if the engine would've lasted.

No Scotty has a crybaby attitude and when things dont go hiw way he usually blew up the motor. The couple times I was at RA when he was on teh HD team with Miguel, he came down between turns 6 and 8 bouncing it off the rev-limiter constantly while EVERYONE ELSE (including Miguel on teh other HD) was shifting up. And sure enough a lap or two later you'd hear on teh PA "Russell's bike expired in 12, 13, 1, 2, 3..... As you can tell, no I dont like the moron. I'd rather ride in a car with Robby Gordon (who I have had some bad history with in the past) than even aknowledge Ru$$ells existance. And not to mention how he damn near killed 2 other racers at the start of a Daytona 200 with a freaking dumbass move that you are taught NOT to do when you start racing.

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than even aknowledge Ru$$ells existance.


sooooo, you're big Russell fan then


I agree about the start of that Daytona race that ended his career, but he was leading that 200 a couple years back on the HD and if his pit crew could've gotten his tire switched he really might have won that race.



So, I imagine that you're a big Yates fan as well.

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I don't know why sport fans as a whole don't get into road racing but they are missing out. The same goes for F1. The most elite form of 4 wheel racing in the world and no big group of American fans.

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I've been a NASCAR fan all of my life (attended 3-4 races a year), but it is getting too PC now and my race budget is going elswhere for 2005. I plan to go to the MotoGP race, the USGP (F1) again and check out more local and NHRA events. I'll still keep up with NASCAR, but it's getting to be a bit much for me.

I'm at a loss to explain why road racing is not so popular here in the US, but if you go to those races there is a huge difference in the makeup of a NASCAR crowd and those who attend road racing events.

Now with a little more thoguht I think that one big reason that road racing isn't big here is that most American's really don't know how to "drive" and can't appreciate what road racing has to offer. Look at how driving is viewed in Europe vs. the US. Over here we want cupholders, DVD's, etc. all distractions from "driving."

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"The same goes for F1. The most elite form of 4 wheel racing in the world and no big group of American fans."

As someone who loves motorcycle racing for it's close racing, great technical basis, and varied personalities...I still don't enjoy watching F1. It's just so antiseptic!

Should it really take 18 guys to refuel and change four tires on a car? How about 5 guys so they have to actually show some hustle.

At the same time, the cars are so far removed from anything you'll be able to buy in the next 15 years that I simply have no connection. Heck I'd rather watch the Australian touring car championship (close racing, real cars, on a road course).

Just my 2 cents but I don't get F1.

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"The same goes for F1. The most elite form of 4 wheel racing in the world and no big group of American fans."

As someone who loves motorcycle racing for it's close racing, great technical basis, and varied personalities...I still don't enjoy watching F1. It's just so antiseptic!

Should it really take 18 guys to refuel and change four tires on a car? How about 5 guys so they have to actually show some hustle.

At the same time, the cars are so far removed from anything you'll be able to buy in the next 15 years that I simply have no connection. Heck I'd rather watch the Australian touring car championship (close racing, real cars, on a road course).

Just my 2 cents but I don't get F1.
Just like MotoGP, WSB or whatever you have to dig into it a little bit. There are only 2 F1 magazines but they are full are awesome info. Plus the formula1.com and f1live.com give so much insight and technical talk you can read forever.

5 guys?? Come on. Nascrap has more than that. With a yearly budget of $400 million for Ferrari why skimp. No need. No purpose.

The cars are the max of what technology can produce. $hit, the yearly budget that F1 has for all the teams is probably more than the government gives to NASA.

It comes down to digging into it. They are alot of rivalries and great challenges with getting into F1.

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Its actually very simple.

Europeans, dont have football,basketball,baseball, golf and whatever else Fatass lazy Americans get cumfy watching on there over stuffed couches with cup holders and a fridge with in reaching distance.

Besides soccer, motorsports is there only other sport.

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Its actually very simple.

Europeans, dont have football,basketball,baseball, golf and whatever else Fatass lazy Americans get cumfy watching on there over stuffed couches with cup holders and a fridge with in reaching distance.

Besides soccer, motorsports is there only other sport.


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I way back in the begining of this thread said pretty much the same thing just in a more condense version. Takes a KAWI man to know whats what!!!

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Interesting discussion.

I know a big reason why motorcycle racing in general isn't as popular here is that motorcycles aren't as popular. Bikes are huge in europe due to their cheap cost and good fuel economy (important when gas is $4/gal.) So more people can relate.

As for why NASCAR vs. say F1... who knows, but some good points have been brought up here. One thing I do find interesting about the US F1 round is that we've made ourselves look really bad to the rest of the world with it. I have an old family friend, born in Germany, huge F1 fan... he usually attends 4-5 rounds a year. The US round came, and he couldn't believe it. F1, everywhere else in the world, is very prestigious. They serve champaigne and caviar. F1 comes here, and it's no different than a NASCAR race, serving.... beer and brats. How classy

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I way back in the begining of this thread said pretty much the same thing just in a more condense version. Takes a KAWI man to know whats what!!!

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My theory is that it's because of the geography of our country.

NASCAR overcomes this because they are racing huge American brands with big corporate backing. Plus, cars are accessible to people in this country year-round-- in fact, the geography of our country makes them a necessity for so many people.

I am sure there are enough motorcycle crazy Americans to fill a stadium every weekend, but we are so spread out across the country, we can't just get up and drive to Florida to see that week's race, then head on over to Arizona, then to Cali, then back to Indy, etc.... The country's too big.

My other theory is that motorcycling is dammed sexy, and our big fat-assed McDonald's-loving citizens just don't appreciate sexy like Europeans do.
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My other theory is that motorcycling is dammed sexy, and our big fat-assed McDonald's-loving citizens just don't appreciate sexy like Europeans do.
Yep, part of it is geography, when I was living in Europe, I could drive the entire length of Italy in 4 hours! England was about 6 hours, so seeing a race wasn't a big deal.

And the attitude is so different also, NASCAR, overweight, mouth breathing morons, stuffing their fat faces with beer and brats, with hairstyles that went out of style in the 70's, compared to people who, KNOW about racing, dress to go to the races, and although I never say the champaigne and cavier, the food was definetely worthy of a 4 star resturant, and the women didn't dress like Saturday night hookers either

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