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Little note for anyone riding trackdays at Blackhawk....

Apparently they have a new rule that ANY motorcycle involved in a trackday MUST have the kickstand either wired up or removed completely. This is after last mondays serious crash in 2 during the LP Sportrider days. So just giving some fore warning for coming track events.
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Good info. Thanks, Rob.

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that was a couple weeks ago, and YEP that sure is a good idea, and so is keeping there track as clean as it can be.

ugh, i got to let that shit go, but its hard.



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I didn't have my kickstand wired up or removed for CLSB's trackday on Monday. I don't have a wheel chock to hold my bike up while I get off of it, and then put it on a rear stand. I don't see it being a problem at turn 2, but I used to scrape it on the track on turns 4 & 5 until I just filed it down. I didn't have any such problem on Monday since I filed it down.

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I didn't have my kickstand wired up or removed for CLSB's trackday on Monday. I don't have a wheel chock to hold my bike up while I get off of it, and then put it on a rear stand. I don't see it being a problem at turn 2, but I used to scrape it on the track on turns 4 & 5 until I just filed it down. I didn't have any such problem on Monday since I filed it down.

I dont have those wheel chocks either and I have no problems putting either of my bikes on a rearstand by myself.
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I didn't have my kickstand wired up or removed for CLSB's trackday on Monday. I don't have a wheel chock to hold my bike up while I get off of it, and then put it on a rear stand.

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I dont have those wheel chocks either and I have no problems putting either of my bikes on a rearstand by myself.
Rob,

I can put my bike on a rear stand by myself. I just can't get off my bike without putting the kickstand down first, I think. I've never tried it to be honest, but I'm on my toes now when sitting on my bike, so I don't think I can do it without putting the kickstand down first.

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If you guys use solid footpegs (not the stock folding ones) you can set them down on a jackstand while you get off the bike to put the rear stand on. That's how I do it. It's ghetto but a jackstand is a lot cheaper than a sport chock.

And it's not that it's a problem in turn 2, the guy apparently forgot to put the kickstand back up and the bike didn't kill itself so you can imagine what a kickstand would do at 100+mph when it touches the ground fully extended.

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Rob,

I can put my bike on a rear stand by myself. I just can't get off my bike without putting the kickstand down first, I think. I've never tried it to be honest, but I'm on my toes now when sitting on my bike, so I don't think I can do it without putting the kickstand down first.
I tippy toe my F2 because its raised in the rear. Just scoot off to the side when you stop. The bike not being straight up and down wont tip over when you get off. Just keep a good hold on the bars. Otherwise bring someone to help or ask someone to wait for ya to come into the pits. If the track owners want the kickstands secured, theres not much you'll be able to do about it.
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(quote)If the track owners want the kickstands secured, theres not much you'll be able to do about it.(QUOTE) i say do it for saftey sake regaurdless



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(quote)If the track owners want the kickstands secured, theres not much you'll be able to do about it.(QUOTE) i say do it for saftey sake regaurdless
I really wondered why they havent done that sooner. What people sometimes dont realize is the amount of g-force you can put on a bike cornering. If the kickstand spring is weak or just poorly designed, it could come down far enough to set off the kickstand interlock or lever the bike off the ground on a left hander. Either way your gonna be marking the asphalt up.



Oh on a similar note, if you remove the kickstand, MAKE SURE YOU BYPASS THE KICKSTAND SWITCH!!! Tape can let go of the plunger. I've seen that happen in T7 at BHF during a LCR school. Guys TLR's kickstand switch kicked on when the tape let go. Going straight wouldnt had been to much of a problem, but it happened when he was leaned over at the apex. And make sure you enable it again when you put the kickstand back on.

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I suggest someone set up a group buy for wheel chocks. There are going to be a lot a people that will need to buy one for next year.

I'm all set myself, as I have been removing my sidestand for this whole year. I added a connector plug into my sidestand wire so that I could unplug it when I need to without having to get up under the gas tank. I made a bypass plug to connect to in place of the sidestand so that the motor would still run.
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speaking of which i know nesba or other track day orgs get 10% off but maybe its time again for another group buy.

i could be up for doing this in a week or so.



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One comment about those wheel chocks... they're great to bolt into your trailer or pickup bed, but they're useless if you decide to use tire warmers. Just something to think about before you go shopping.

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i put a call in for there sales manager to call me for a break down prices.

it might be till next monday though, and ill deal with this in a week if you guys want me to handle the group buy.



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I'm down with this too.

This is gonna suck for the CLSB days. I mean, it is definitely a good rule, but that's just one more thing that riders will have to buy, which will be a particular problem for those first-timers/not-yet-addicted types.
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For the common street rider that does some track days I really don't see the use of getting track stands esepecially if you ride to/from the track too.

Last time I checked a bag of zip ties is runs about $1.00. Not much of an investment if you ask me, plus you probably already have some laying around. Just zip tie it up when before you leave on your session and cut it off afterwards. Pretty simple stuff.

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Last time I checked a bag of zip ties is runs about $1.00. Not much of an investment if you ask me, plus you probably already have some laying around. Just zip tie it up when before you leave on your session and cut it off afterwards. Pretty simple stuff.
No zip ties. Has to be safety wired. Still I guess it wouldn't be a problem to have someone there with the wire cutters and then wire it up again beforehand.
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everyone,

this action by the track is best for us all...

motovid.com was onsite @ BHF the day Shawn went down in t2, and the video onboard is witness to what can transpire without taking the safety precaution.

Simply put, T2 is not a forgiving turn, first left hander and quite fast for many of us. Dragging hard parts forced a horrible crash.

I understand alot of bikes are street going, track day bikes, but it really isnt worth the price to pay or simply the risk involved. Shawns surgery on weds. was 7 hours to rebuild his shoulder, beyond the other life threatening injuries sustained.

Heres an idea....

@ tech inspection, a roll of safety wire, and wire tool could perform the task for the event organizer, if not alreay done so and for the remainder of the event riders could either

a) lean the bike on a tree / trailer / vehicle
b) use a jackstand
c) use a couple 2x4's for a home_grown stand
d) use a street designed rear stand
e) go for the gusto and install spools and buy a race designed stand

the risk is simply not worth it...

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a) lean the bike on a tree / trailer / vehicle
Now THAT fits into my budget!

Anybody for a group buy on a good tree?
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Now THAT fits into my budget!

Anybody for a group buy on a good tree?
Rachel.. use a tie down and strap the bike to my truck.. thats what the guy at LCR suggested.

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Rachel.. use a tie down and strap the bike to my truck.. thats what the guy at LCR suggested.

How 'bout you stand there and hold my shit between sessions? I'm sure I could get Fabio to take over the ball scratching duties for ya if you promise him a kiss. I'll have the ugliest umbrella girl at the track.













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Rachel.. use a tie down and strap the bike to my truck.. thats what the guy at LCR suggested.
This is what I do, or lean it against my trailer using the frame sliders. I used to use a rear stand, but I got tired of putting it up after every session. Actually it's not that I grew tired of putting it up on there, I was just plain too tired to do it sometimes.

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No zip ties. Has to be safety wired. Still I guess it wouldn't be a problem to have someone there with the wire cutters and then wire it up again beforehand.

Funny. The rule I seen said
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Ken...definitely get a sportchock. We're gonna need it to fit all the TeamGoFast bikes in the trailer.
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