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View Poll Results: would paypal allow you to pay on time? AND do you want more CLSB days
yes it would. 26 41.27%
no, i still only pay by check when i have the money to pay out. 7 11.11%
YES i also want Ken's CLSB track days to continue. 49 77.78%
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DO you guys want more CLSB track days next year? HELP me find out some things.

well 1st off let me say i have enjoyed running the CLSB track days.
as well you guys always have a blast.
but there has been a problem, and the main problem is receiving payment on time in the manner in which it needs to be done.
people waiting last minute to send out a check, even to the point i get a check the day before .
maybe you guys don't understand but until all those checks clear i front money, which at times its been hundreds to thousands.
SAD fact is i even had a few checks bounce and lost money here and there doing these days.
which isn't kind to me.
SO THIS IS MY idea.
WHAT forms of payment would allow riders to pay on time and also make it easier for me to do these days.

i was thinking paypal?
and i don't have an account there but if you can pay with a debit card, credit card, or paypal funds.
WOULD this solve the problem?
like i do when i make these track days with a commitment to doing the best that i can to organize it, and manage it, and provide what we do i EXPECT you guys to do the same.
so please vote on 2 subjects.
and or add any feed back you might have, as well as things you would like to add to our track dates.
and for simple terms, ill start off with black hawk dates.
cause its close its simple, and what not.
R.A, grattan, barber, gingerman, etc, etc, etc, there is plenty of other orgs that can better service you for those dates.
ill just be doing blackhawk dates, and do my best to keep them away from any other org dates, so its not back to back. plus i can not guarantee that if i get my dates posted before they do.
well chime in, its up to you.


EDIT, i have made this a multi choice, since its a 2 part question.




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Paypal, paypal, paypal.

If you accept checks, then there should be a cut-off date far enough in advance to allow for the check to clear. Say, "Payment via personal check will not be accepted less than thirty (30) days prior to the event". ALL the cash should be in YOUR hot little hand one week before the event.

Assess a penalty for cancellations less than X number of days before an event.

Also, there is no reason to have to wait until you have dates scheduled to accept money. If people want to pay "up front", you can then apply those dollars against your up-front track rental costs. Going to a "paid membership" format will also give you more capital up-front.

Come up with some kind of special incentive for paying as far in advance as possible... perhaps an extra session on the track, or free T-shirt, or something.

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Plus if you wanna do paypal I can set you up in the online store so people can just click and pay like they did witht eh t-shirts and stuff.




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I think this is a great idea. When the cutoff has been reached, close the paypal acceptance. I think this would solve your problem.

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I like Tony's idea. Having an online store with the trackdays listed linked to paypal. Quick and easy.

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i like all the ideas so far, and they seem to really help me manage it better for all of us.
keep em coming, remember i wont bother doing this unless you guys want me too.

as i said, i LOVE doing these private days for us, and i LOVE helping people getting beter and faster while being safer, i also plan to do more Bgroup class room session like after each B session everyone comes back into class with feed back or questions from problems or ideas or thoughts to improve.

even if i dont ride 1/2 the day, me knowing we got control riders, and more B group class room sessions with before and after sessions, it will also help alot for newer riders to track and performace riding.

i might NOT be some AMA pro racer, but i do have alot of advise and technics to offer, plus with help for faster people then me, i am sure we can have alot of great info and technics for the riders.

thats something i want to work on more for our private track days and the CLSB members.




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My first trackday ever was the final CLSB day this year in sept. I had a blast and learned a ton

I really hope you decide to do more next year
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Ken, you have to do what works. If the current system is putting too much financal liability on you (which it appears to), then change it. I'd suggest forcing checks to get to you early (going so far as to return checks sent late), and Paypal with an online store. Then you aren't holding slots for people who have money to use. And some form of encouragement to pay early might just help. Say, extra 10 minute session with the pitbikes out there during lunch.

I don't know if I'd have the guts to be fronting money for 'a friend of a friend of a friend' of some person with 3 posts like you've done on these things.

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If you are gettin stiffed on some payments I would do two things

1. Payment must be in no less than 30 days prior.

2. Cancellations result in forfeiture of fund unless you give ten days notice.

Maybe you'll spend less time trying to find replacements for people who back out two days before the event.


A far as how to pay, just make it easy on yourself. The peeps who have the addiction will figure out how get the $ to you under YOUR terms. If not, they don't get to play. It sucks to have to be that way, but hey, you are doing the favor. This should never cost you a cent.

You are doing everyone who takes part in this a huge favor just by managing the whole thing, if I were you, I'd make it as easy as possible for myself on the business end of it.
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paypal, check, marbles, don't matter, CLSB track days are my favorite.

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How far before the actual track day do you need to get the funds to Blackhawk?? You should work back from there to determine when your cutoff date is for accepting payment. You miss the cutoff date - youre dropped from the entry list - without the ability to sign up later. DONE

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Paypal, credit card, or check are fine with me. Whatever's easiest for you.

As always, though, May. July, Sept days work for me. June and August do not. (As far as weekdays go. Weekends ANY month are good).

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More trackdays. Yes please. (less on Mondays! I know I know... that's unpossible)

Personally I'd like to see maybe 3 next year. One in the beginning, middle, and end of the season. I don't want to see you book a ton of days and have half of em fall through cuz people just couldn't get the time off etc.

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well the payments were one thing, but another big problem was people NOT paying by my 30day cut off, BUT then i still have to let people send checks in or what not to get more riders to atleast make the 55 riders that we needed for the set price i had.

so its kinda like, sign up early, for sure pay, and stop waiting till the last minute for the weather.

till this day it has never rained us out.
i have a lucky streak with booking days i guess and ill keep it that way.



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i might be some AMA pro racer.....
Really??

Like stated above, yes asking for money upfront and early is good for you, but when you don't have enough to cover the costs you'll still have to get more people to sign up and pay unless more dates get dropped. I agree that if people want to play they should pay. However too many times they'll want to hold out until the last second either because they are living check to check, want to guarentee sunshine, or are damned if they are going to loose that 1.5% intrest in their account

Ken your track day that I attended was at was great! I'm so glad that I had the opportunity to come out and play. I hope they continue and that you will be able to negate the upfront costs by members changing their ways

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lol keicker, i meant to say NOT, so i went back and edited that...lol

plus too thats why i was thinking of doing the paypal thing, since people could just charge it and pay little by little back to there credit cards etc.

that way they dont have to send there CASH money so early for those that are tight with money.
and i truely understand that also.



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I almost mistout on this topic.

I did not get a chance to do a track day this year. I am looking forward to do them next year. let's address things in order:

1. Based on what you have said you should no longer accept personal checks unless you agree to it in PM. This way you will not have to deal with bounced checks. Every one has a computer and can make a Pay Pall transaction. Also, isn't there a fee that you would have to pay in order to receive it? If there is those fees should be added to the price. I would gladly do that instead of liking a stamp. You should not have to pay out of your pocket.

2. Regardless who we end up paying you, there should be a drop dead date.

3. Please I am beggin you do more track days There is so much I need to learn.

4. I am willing to help out in what ever is needed.

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your track days are key.......

to the sanity of any of us who are track junkies, and I know had my wife not gotten sick I would have had a great time with you guys, so do paypal and forget checks if people want they can use debit cards and then its just like a check. what a about a weekend deal at the farm do both days?? make it a big party weekend.
another thought is to charge a little more than the minimum for the day and if you have enough people then you offer a credit to members for the next track day- or a membership fee to help cover costs, time effort, etc.
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hey guys thanks for the response but look at the facts, 19-20 responses and 32 views and a couple repeat post, doesnt even go for 1/2 the people needed for a track day.

so judging by that, it seems people dont care about CLSB track days, just the cheapest, and who ever is doing them closest and cheapest wins.


so who knows time will tell i guess.



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Paypal, Paypal, Paypal

It is so much easier and faster to pay you this way. Plus you can get a paypal card (Mastercard) and use it to pay for the event. AND get money back for using it.

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hey guys thanks for the response but look at the facts, 19-20 responses and 32 views and a couple repeat post, doesnt even go for 1/2 the people needed for a track day.

so judging by that, it seems people dont care about CLSB track days, just the cheapest, and who ever is doing them closest and cheapest wins.


so who knows time will tell i guess.
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hey guys thanks for the response but look at the facts, 19-20 responses and 32 views and a couple repeat post, doesnt even go for 1/2 the people needed for a track day.

so judging by that, it seems people dont care about CLSB track days, just the cheapest, and who ever is doing them closest and cheapest wins.


so who knows time will tell i guess.

Ken,

I don't go on the site as often as most, so I don't always see the all the threads. But I will sign up for all CLSB track days other than the June-August dates. (And of course, any weekend days, regardless of what month it's in).

(Which I forgot is basically what I posted 3 weeks ago... Duh).

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hey ken,

since your poll is for everyone in clsb then maybe you should move it to open or general since some people this time of year may not look at the track forum??? just a thought. might help get more people to respond to the poll or move it to polls.

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Paypal is great a great service and I have been using it for a few years now. Keep in mind that Paypal deducts a transaction fee from the money that you receive (just under 5%).

I hope you continue organizing trackdays. This will be the first year for me -- I can't wait
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Paypal is a good option and if a check bounces you still get paid and they follow up on it not you.

If you don't mind the paypal fees it makes life a little easier, with the card you can charge 2000 at a time and it is just like using a bank card. I use it for my business account all the time.
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paypal sounds like the way to go, i will try to set up 1 day and see how it goes then.



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Ken if you had Paypal set up last year I know I would have made it to at least one of your track days, quite possibly more. Everytime I thought seriously about a certain date and brought it up @ home, for some unknown reason I would get friends and family members (non-riders) inevitably suggesting something else to do for that weekend. Paypal locks you in, so to speak, once you've paid you're commited and no amount of influence from anyone else will convince you to forfeit your cash and lose out on a good time simultaneously. Charge a small fee (or a large one) for those who need to cancel unless they do so in a timely manner, giving you at least 10 days to two weeks notice to fill their (now) empty spot. Offering someone, especially new folks (like me) the option of sending in checks creates a bit of liability for you, and more of a pain in the ass then you'd probably care for. You should still accept checks if it's from someone you trust, or someone who's done the days as well as paid for them in the past. Again, and as others have stated, make sure the people that do (for whatever reason) need the option of sending a check in do so in a timely manner and for them to send in a Cashier's check or money order in lieu of a personal check if at all possible. If special arrangements need to be made then you can work things out on a 'case by case' basis.

Paypal is definately a great idea when it comes to organizing this sort of thing on your own time. I imagine it's hard enough to organize these events w/o worrying about who's going to *actually* pay you and when.

These opinions and suggestions are all coming from the biggest procrastinator I know, myself. Don't give guys like me or the "it sounded great at the time" people a chance to bail out and leave you holding the bag without some form of restitution, or at least a chance to recoup some of your time, energy, and money. You're putting alot of effort into this and the last thing you need is any confusion, good luck.

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