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Which racing school?

have you taken any racing school? which one would you recomend? and Why Yes? or WHy not?

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Visionsports from Super Dave: Good, guaranteed 1 on 1 time with an instructor. Knows how to work suspension, but be prepared, he asks A LOT of questions on things you might not be thinking about. He can also certify you for a CCS license (let him know ahead of time). Probably the best bang for your buck.

Learning Curves: Classic road racing school. Covers the basics, pretty much track time, no real one on one time in the licensing school. I've seen instructors sit on corners during the advanced course, so they do get more detailed in the advanced course. I'll be taking the advanced one this season, mainly for race start ideas.

A couple people here have taken American Supercamp and/or STAR school. If I could manage it timewise, I'd definately hit Supercamp this season.

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I've heard very good things about Daves school, Team Visionsports. All the schools will get your suspension questions answered. (Honestly, until you advance, I would pay to get set up. Suspension is an "art". Weight plus style plus age and condition and manufacturer of suspension will all affect the final set up.)

Learning Curves is a great school! Not only does he cover the basic stuff but they actually tell you (and show you by painting little red or white 6 inch dots that you can reference all weekend long!) where you need to be, brake, turn and accelerate. When I took their school back in '99 there was a great deal of "1 on 1" assistance. You will have instructors in the corners in the advanced schools taking notes on individuals and critiquing them individually later on. In the past 6 years Rick has helped me out and answered more questions than I can ever list.

Here's my bottom line --> Take as many quality schools as you can afford. With most things in life, racing is a lot of fact mixed with a lot of opinion. Take everything with a grain of salt because you're gonna be the guy braking from 150mph down to 80 and then taking a nice right hander (at Blackhawk anyway ) with 40 other guys. Take away what you can but remember, you're the decision maker what everything's on the line. Either school is good and both are taught by men (Rick Breuer + staff of Learning Curves and Dave Rosno + staff of Team Visionsports) who have taken more laps and won more races than you can ever imagine.

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I'll throw in another STRONG recommendation for Learning Curves and Visionsports. I've had the privilege of working with "Super Dave" for over 3 years - he's one of the rarified few whom John will allow to lay hands on my bikes. Even with folks like me, who don't relate in the most technical of terms ("Dave, the bike just feels 'icky'") - Dave turned an ill-handling 450-lb beastie into something that was a natural extension of my body.

Keep in mind that Learning Curves' Race Licensing School is the "feeder" school into CCS. The focus is on the fundamentals - flags, etiquette, basic "stuff". Essentially "Road Racing 101 - How to Not Be a Hazard to Yourself or Others". Your track time is worked in between practice rounds and races in the middle of a race weekend. It's not an Ed Bargy/STAR/Cali Superbike or even VisionSports format by any stretch of the imagination. Even so, Rick, Brian and Jason will definitely help you improve your skills. If you're at the track early in the morning, go on their track walk. You'll better understand trac-specific stuff and some of the "why" they do things.

I was able to take the LCR Advanced school this past May, and I think it was the best investment I made last year. It's an all-day school, limited class size, and the track is broken down into readily digestible sections. You work on 2-3 corners at a time. They're offering two Advanced schools this year, and I'm taking both of 'em. For this school, you will need your race license.

At any race school, the level of feedback you receive is determined largely by your request for input. Whenever I've asked for "extra attention", I've gotten it.

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Isn't that just a private MSF 'riding' class? I couldn't find any info on their webpage about 'racing' classes.

I attended an Edge Racing school day at BHF last year as my first on-track event. They did a good job of introducing the track, but we covered more beginner topics during the CLSB days before actually hitting the track, which seems safer for new riders.

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Isn't that just a private MSF 'riding' class? I couldn't find any info on their webpage about 'racing' classes.

I attended an Edge Racing school day at BHF last year as my first on-track event. They did a good job of introducing the track, but we covered more beginner topics during the CLSB days before actually hitting the track, which seems safer for new riders.

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I would recomend Keith Code's California Superbike School, you can take a two day camp at BHF or Autobahn this year and get to ride their lean machine, BS bike, Slide mashine and few others.

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I had friends who took a few of the big schools and of the people who took both Keith Codes school and Star they prefered Star. More track time and less dogmatic theory sessions.

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Isn't that just a private MSF 'riding' class? I couldn't find any info on their webpage about 'racing' classes.

I attended an Edge Racing school day at BHF last year as my first on-track event. They did a good job of introducing the track, but we covered more beginner topics during the CLSB days before actually hitting the track, which seems safer for new riders.
Ooops! Big time misread on my part. Deleting stuff now!
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I had friends who took a few of the big schools and of the people who took both Keith Codes school and Star they prefered Star. More track time and less dogmatic theory sessions.
I was ammased how many people at Code's CSS did not know much about the mechanics and kinematics of the motorcycle. In their case theory was good. I was pleased with the school, however, I would like to attend STAR as well. It is all a preference, we all come out better riders from most of teh schools.

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It is all a preference, we all come out better riders from most of teh schools.

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might just have MJ there as a classmate , really jason rocks!!!!!

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If you don't mind going out to OH. Bob Stanley of Fast Tracks does a good school.

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Thank you all for your input

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well .. here's my .02
I'm not a very fast rider but have gone to a lot of schools

I've done 3 of Keith Code's schools and some time with Super Dave I have also gone to beginners group/class at SportbikeTracktime and Nesba

I felt like I got things from ALL of them.

Keith Code is an innovator he has created things to solve problems like the slide bike, he was one of the people that said all along that you initiate a turn with your bars and went on to prove it with the motorcycle that had handlebars disconnected from the forks. (up until this time this was a highly heated debate) Now he has a new one that analyzes and optimizes your shifting mechanics. His books twist of the wrist and twist of the wrist II are almost like bible's about motorcycle riding.. I think he will always be on the forefront of innovations on motorcycle riding. His courses are to the point and you will come out a better rider then when you went in... on the other hand I have watched people who did not do the drills and they were repremanded. .. its kind of strict and they are not very tollerant of people with larger ego's .. you have to take codes classes in order (aside maybe from the racer class)

SuperDave is an excellent racer and a great instructor as well. If you take one of his classes, you are in the visionsports family .. you can always email him with a question about this or that, suspension, hey my tire looks like this etc.. He is really on top of making a bike handle as it should... As you would expect if you use him one on one you will truely be working on whatever it is you need to get going. I think Daves forte is working strengthening racers and helping them overcome their obsticals.

I went back to beginner goup with SportbikeTracktime because I was a little intimidated about going to the Grattan racetrack for the first time and felt like I wanted some extra help

their beginner group is very structured and has a goal for each session and a meeting before the next to discuss what your goal was for the upcoming session. they setup a bike on stands in the garage and had you do your "lean off " positions and they tweak your body position... their concepts are very similar to Keith Codes Drills.

Nesba also has instruction, the beginners must attend a classroom session at the beginning of the day. You have to be a liitte more agresive with Nesba
and actually go up to an control rider and ask them to work with you.
Carrol Drucker is an Excellent CR and is very patient and an exceptionally Smooooooooooooooth rider/Instructor

bottom line is go to any of them and you will become a better rider.


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Depends on what you wish to get from the school really......


CLASS - Reg Pridmore www.classrides.com
Great introduction to track riding and advanced riding skills.
Besides NESBA... my best reccomendation for beginning Track Riders.

Star School - Jason Pridmore www.starmotorcycle.com
Takes the CLASS basics and focuses on TRACK riding, the advanced group is about racecraft, lines, body position. Great 1:1 time with the instructors and lot's of constructive feedback. IMO.. if you are an advanced rider / racer you may have evolved beyond this curriculum.

Freddie Spencer www.fastfreddie.com
This one is the jazz.... Deeply Technical, an amazing understanding / teaching of the dynamics of a modern motorcycle all grounded in current GP experiece... there is a reason this guy is currently developing Honda GP stars.
Nick Ienatch, Jeff Haney and ( of Course ) Freddie really work you over while you are there..... this is drills ..... think batting cage ... not baseball game.

No extended lapping sessions here ... lot's of drills, lots of laps, lots of feedback and three videotaped sessions. If you can afford the trip, this is the one.

Have reservations at the Kevin Schwantz www.schwantzschool.com at Road Atlanta this spring.... I'll have to let you know.

Keith Code's dyanetics program...... I'd take a pass.

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Kevin Schwantz www.schwantzschool.com A great time at this one....
Instruction not up to the level of detail of Spencer.

In a single word...... FUN !


Kevin has assembled a who's-who of Suzuki endurance racing.

Kevin Schwantz - of course - teaching and riding.
Lance Holst - - Chief Instructor. Former Motorcyclist / Sport Rider staffer / club racer.

As for the on-track part of things.....

Trey Batey
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These guys are like a bunch of kids at recess every time you go out on the track..... hey c'mon let's go play !

You lead a few laps..... they lead a few laps and show you some stuff... they lead.... jockey for position ...

What a riot!



The pace of the school is really good as well.... with other schools you are on the track or in the classroom and there is always a sense of being rushed from one to the other.
Even if you want a drink or a bathroom break it feels like you are missing something.

At the Schwantz - School you are on the track for 20 mins and then the whole class has a 10 min break.... everyone hangs in the pits ...takes a drink... uses the bathroom...
talks to instructors ( they all hang out too ).
When the break is over it's 20 mins in the classroom. When the classroom is done you have another 10 min break so you can ask any questions you have of the instructors or
get hooked up with someone for the next session... and then you get ready and dressed to go back on the track.

The relaxed pace makes this a very enjoyable day.

The school does use a video bike and they make sure that you get taped and reviewed at least once or twice while there.... this helps them to discuss what you are doing on
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You will learn the most if you take Supercamp. Learning to slide the bike around helps alot with going fast.

You will crash alot and learn proper body position.

Ever see a kid come out of Flat Track/TT style Racing and then go straight to a road racing machine? You can't touch them, they are unstopable.

Try some Flat Track racing, go play in the dirt!

I went from Podium finishing every race I entered racing CCS 4 weekends in a row this last summer to doing a TT race in Central Illinois and got my ass handed to me by 14 year olds... And they weren't all boys. Very humbling experience. There are some fast little kids racing Flat Track and TT.

There are also alot of indoor events over the winter. Good to keep on 2 wheels while the weather is cold.

You honestly don't need to spend thousands of dollars taking a big name road racing school. You can get just as good if not better instruction by just getting out and riding with the right people or taking something local for a fraction of the price.

Try some Motocross, I have found that it helps tremendously as well!

Crash alot and crash often, you must crash to go alot faster. You must push yourself.

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Holy crap. It is like almost a year old post. Grasshopper had to go through a lot of grass to get there

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Thank you BTW.

I did do couple track days this year. One at the Grattem. Absolutely loved it. Scratched the shit out of my FZ. Ground the pegs down, sides are all scratch up. No I did not crashed, just experimenting how low can it go . I found out that on the streets I don't lean nearly as far as I did on the track. Good thing for me.

Did lowsided at the Autobahn later this year. I finally found the point of no return in the lean angle. Itis right after I scratch the elbow Bike is still ridable, just more character now.

Next year I need to get a real track bike if I am continue to race.

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if you are interested, we are going to get in touch with dave for a class early next spring. we did a class with him last year and were very happy with it. I ride with a couple guys from kenosha and we are planning to do one track day with nesba and then try to follow it up with a class with dave. we just want to get our tracklegs back before we jump into a class. feel free to contact me and i can give you a better idea when it will be. I will contact dave tomarrow to see what dates he can get a time slot on the track.
He usually does his school on the track with the Monday LP days. Unless you have very specific needs that require no other traffic, these are probably the best price-wise. I've taken one of those and will probably be taking another one next season.

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Thank you all. If I get lucky and rubbing little old ladies finally pays off I will get my self a track bike. I do not think I will be taking an FZ to the track again. Just too much mass and constant worry about how much I can lean. My lowside happened because I went over the leaning point of the bike. And yes, I was hanging off. All I need is one good score

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