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Getting starting on the right track (pun intended) ;)

I want to do track days this year, and I did sign up on nesba. But they don't really have a class that I could take that gives riding lessons. Or did I overlook something on their site? Anyways, this will be my 6th season of riding, but I've never really "pushed" it. Do you think it would be ok just to start at the beginners group or would it be a wiser choice to go with a Learing Curves or something like that? Any advice would be much appreciated.

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Thats what beginners class is. Just to get acclimated to track riding. Theres no real pushing it in beginners. Learnign Curves just teached you track etiquette and race procedures. They assume you already know how to control your bike.
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No need to go to learning curves till you decide to go racing. It will not help you out as much as alot of trackdays would like Rob said it teaches you the basics of racing like flags and ediquite (sp).
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I want to do track days this year, and I did sign up on nesba. But they don't really have a class that I could take that gives riding lessons. Or did I overlook something on their site? Anyways, this will be my 6th season of riding, but I've never really "pushed" it. Do you think it would be ok just to start at the beginners group or would it be a wiser choice to go with a Learing Curves or something like that? Any advice would be much appreciated.
When you say "riding lessons" do you mean you dont know how to ride yet? or just never been on the track? if youve are just learnign how to ride I would reccomend an MSF course.




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When you say "riding lessons" do you mean you dont know how to ride yet? or just never been on the track? if youve are just learnign how to ride I would reccomend an MSF course.
Hey Tony I think he means on the track trying to push it. He has been riding for a while.
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Hey Tony I think he means on the track trying to push it. He has been riding for a while.
Ok just checking, I'm just picturing someone at a nesba day trying to figure out how to use the clutch




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Yeah, I've been riding for 5 years, although I just signed up for a MSF class this year. Thought it'd be handy and I also heard it would help with insurance. I just wanna be safe on the tracks. But if the beginners group doesn't push it too much, then I guess I can gradually learn the techniques. Thanks guys!

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You may want to consider a school, like Star or California Superbike School. As far as location, I recommend looking for a school at Gingerman, it's a bit safer with respect to run off room compared to other local tracks.

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NESBA's beginner group is pretty mellow and very safe.

I'd also highly recommend PrivateTrackTime or SportbikeTrackTime. PTT will have several dates at Blackhawk and Autobahn this year. STT runs at Gingerman and also Autobahn. PTT offers a lower track density and has scheduled dates that are specifically designed for track newbies (complete with drills and a low student-to-instructor ratio). STT has a very structured beginner group that includes skill-building drills and classroom time.

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I'm a big fan of nesba. I took the free intro with about 1.5 yrs of street riding experience. I had no desire to race or even do serious track days at the time, I just thought it would be fun to try out. I sucked, look at my pic. Back then I thought that was a lot of lean angle (I ocasionaly even scrapped my toes). Man I sucked. doing that nesba intro day was the BEST thing I ever did on a bike!



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Yeah, I've been riding for 5 years, although I just signed up for a MSF class this year. Thought it'd be handy and I also heard it would help with insurance. I just wanna be safe on the tracks. But if the beginners group doesn't push it too much, then I guess I can gradually learn the techniques. Thanks guys!
You should go to the ERC course, not the MSF. MSF will not do you any good, and the erc issues the same sort of certification that may help you out on insurance rates. I took the ERC course with 500 miles under my belt. I already knew haw to ride, I was just interested in strategies etc.
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Brian, I would disagree with you on BRC and ERC point. ERC primarily works on improving your ability to ride. While BRC reinforces your riding ability it also drives home the point of gathering information and paying attension on the road. And how to deal in diferent situations.

That said I firmly believe that BRC should be taken at least once every 5 year to sharpen your mental road skills. And ERC taken in between. I.e every 2 to 3 years alternate then.

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Like Kim said, SBTT holds a very structured track day for beginners. They had mandatory classroom sessions where they would go over things like countersteering, lines through the corners, hanging off the bike, and such. When I did it, they split the beginners group up into seperate groups as well depending on your relative ability and had about one instructor for every 4 or 5 students.

I've rode with NESBA and SBTT, and I think SBTT is great for first timers, but the mandatory class sessions get a bit tedious if you have to keep on going and hearing the same things over and over again, so I've been doing mostly NESBA since then.

SBTT is hoding a track day at Putnam Park on April 9-10, and NESBA is at Blackhawk Farms the next weekend

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Brian, I would disagree with you on BRC and ERC point. ERC primarily works on improving your ability to ride. While BRC reinforces your riding ability it also drives home the point of gathering information and paying attension on the road. And how to deal in diferent situations.

That said I firmly believe that BRC should be taken at least once every 5 year to sharpen your mental road skills. And ERC taken in between. I.e every 2 to 3 years alternate then.
I have seen youngkow ride, and from what I know of the MSF course, I would say he has the basics mastered.

I have never taken the MSF course, so you are suggesting that I should take it? What possible benefit would there be? I need to learn how to walk my bike? Or learn how to ride a 250?

I can appreciate reinforcing street strategy, for the casual rider. But, when you ride 10-20k miles a year, do not you formulate strategies that work for you, and your riding style? The ERC course has 4 hours of class that goes over street strategy.
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Brian, I am not suggesting that you or youngkow take one. My statement was general not related to your experience. Most riders do not put more then 6K a year even if that. Those people are the one that are primary candidates for the course.

On the other hand. It might not pertain to you, but it is right on the dollar for someone else. Some people even if they put more then 10K a year does not mean they know basic road strategy and avoidance techniques.

Last year a had an older gentelmen in my class, he was in his 70th. Riding for more then 40 years and when we were done with the class on Saturday he was surprised how much he did not know.

I know people that been riding for sometime and still have no clue what counter steering is all about. God fobit if I try to explaine it to them, since they are so convinced that they know it all.

I guess it is all comes down to how true are you to your self. If you have a even a slight doubt take the course.

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I think we are getting away from the main topic. We can continue this in another post or in person over acold one.

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Thanks guys for all the advice. I guess I should've gone for the ERC, but thought I needed to do the BRC first. I just want to be the safest rider possible. Anyhoo, thanks again everyone! Now to look for a trailer........

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