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Which is faster Car or motorcycle?

On an enclosed course, I think the car in most cases would turn faster lap times. The car would have the advantage of four wheels, better braking and larger contact patch. The video of the Lambo and the Duc showed different, but I donít think the Lambo was driven to it full potential for which the Duc won by a small margin.

The only place I see the bike being better is, the MPH at the end of a straightaway.

I know of a 78 AMC Sprint, run a 1:19 from a standing start at Blackhawk. That is with a stock front suspension, modified rear suspension and race tires. I know cars faster but that just an example. I have run 1:22ís on my bike with a flying start.

Therefore, which do you they is faster and why?

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for the most part: cars.

one reason: 4 wheels.

4 wheels for cornering, for 4 wheels for braking forces to be distributed.

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From all the tests dones so far, only F1 cars beat motorcycles on enclosed course. Though rapidly lambo and ferrari's cars are getting pretty damn close.

As for why: bikes can brake later, they accelerate faster (for the most part) and are more flickable. Again, F1 puts all that in a shitter
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Depends on the course. No way any motorcycle can turn a faster lap time than a NASCAR car at the oval in Daytona. About the only way to know for sure is to compare absolute fastest lap times at courses where pro's run the exact same course for cars and bikes. For example..Road America, Laguna Seca, Blackhawk. Lap record on a bike at Blackhawk is around 1:09:6 on an R1. Any car done that lately?

Two Wheel Tuesday looked at overall lap records between MotoGP bikes and F1 cars for the 4 or so tracks they both run. In all cases, the F1 car was several seconds faster than the bikes.

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Downforce is the most important factor in why proper race cars are faster than racebikes. I believe F1 cars are around 30 seconds a lap faster than MotoGP bikes
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There was an article in one of the moto publications where Kevin Shwantz piloted a vette and a gsxr1K on a track. Gsxr won. For all those that are thinking the obvious, he is quite an accomplished car driver also.

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Depends on the course. No way any motorcycle can turn a faster lap time than a NASCAR car at the oval in Daytona. About the only way to know for sure is to compare absolute fastest lap times at courses where pro's run the exact same course for cars and bikes. For example..Road America, Laguna Seca, Blackhawk. Lap record on a bike at Blackhawk is around 1:09:6 on an R1. Any car done that lately?
Absolute lap record is 56 sec. Top Formula Continentals are turning around 1:08's on a reg basis in 03. Couple GT1's were down in the 07's. Hell even Super Dave did a 1:50 with his RV at BHF.
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There is a big difference between a full on race car and a street bike. If you are comparing a production car to a street bike (As in the Kevin Schwantz test of

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There is a big difference between a full on race car and a street bike. If you are comparing a production car to a street bike (As in the Kevin Schwantz test of the GSXR and the Vette) the bike will win. When you try to match something like a NASCAR or F1 with a bike the bike would not do so well, though I would like to see a MOTO GP bike and a NASCAR on a short oval track.

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There is a big difference between a full on race car and a street bike. If you are comparing a production car to a street bike (As in the Kevin Schwantz test of

With the exception of the open wheeled and prototype classes, GT car classes start as a street vehicle, just like a superbike starts as a street vehicle.
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What I was leading to is if you take a stock 05 vette and put it against the best liter bike with equal drivers of the profession, what would win? I still say the car. Even if you had slicks to both car and bike the car gains ten folds compared to the bike just by adding slicks.

A coworker of mine at work is trying to tell be the bike is always faster, and I say only in top speed only.

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What I was leading to is if you take a stock 05 vette and put it against the best liter bike with equal drivers of the profession, what would win? I still say the car. Even if you had slicks to both car and bike the car gains ten folds compared to the bike just by adding slicks.

A coworker of mine at work is trying to tell be the bike is always faster, and I say only in top speed only.
Actually its hard to say. Could be close, but I do go with ya on the car edging the bike.

There was a test between a YZF1000R and a Viper and the Viper spanked it on the track and in top end. That was a few years ago. Then there was that Duc vs Lambo and I think they say the Duc beat it. Then again, which lambo, was it the Desmodrisi (V4) duc, a standard 999 or a 999R? So many little variables to toss at it. But cornering, car wins. Cars have a better contact patch on one wheel than a bike does. Think of this when railing corners on a bike, you are riding on 2, 2.5-3" long by 1.25-1.5" wide patches of rubber. Theres only around 9 sq inches of rubber keeping you from asphault surfung.
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Actually its hard to say. Could be close, but I do go with ya on the car edging the bike.

There was a test between a YZF1000R and a Viper and the Viper spanked it on the track and in top end. That was a few years ago. Then there was that Duc vs Lambo and I think they say the Duc beat it. Then again, which lambo, was it the Desmodrisi (V4) duc, a standard 999 or a 999R? So many little variables to toss at it. But cornering, car wins. Cars have a better contact patch on one wheel than a bike does. Think of this when railing corners on a bike, you are riding on 2, 2.5-3" long by 1.25-1.5" wide patches of rubber. Theres only around 9 sq inches of rubber keeping you from asphault surfung.
In the Kevin Schwanz Vette/GSXR shootout they used radar in all the corners and the GIXXER beat the Vette in EVERY way. corner speed, top speed and lap times. The numbers don't lie, Bikes is best!

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