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I don't know if I like the way Rossi won. Bump passing in Arenacross is one thing, doing it in MotoGP is something else.
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I don't know if I like the way Rossi won. Bump passing in Arenacross is one thing, doing it in MotoGP is something else.
to me it looked like Rossi ran it up the inside and Gibernau not wanting to give in, leaned his bike on top of him figuring Rossi would let off, commiting to the point of hurting his shoulder from hitting the hard parts on Rossi's bike.
At that point I thought they were both going off the track as there was no room between them to manuver...

That was some hard ass racing thats for sure and some riders with some real determiniation and guts, its going to be a great year. !!!

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So is Rossi going to be the Dale Earnhardt of MotoGP?
Nice last turn nudge there. Oh, and it helps to keep your feet on the pegs.

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I ran it back on the DVR and it looked like Gibernau made the mistake of not getting right down on the white line. He left too much room and Rossi went for it. Was it Sete's fault Rossi hit him? No, but Sete should realized a racer like Rossi will take big chances to win.
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DUDE, your all nuts!! Rossi went WAY!!!! off line. Rossi just about missed the turn all together!!! Rossi missed the apex so BAD that he was all the way on the OUTSIDE of the turn at the APEX!!!!! I'm a big Rossi fan but that was BULLSHIT!!

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The only reason rossi stayed on the track was cause of hitting Gibernau, Rossi took Gibernau all the way to the outside and where Gibernau went off is right at the apex where they should have been at the inside of the track.

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The only reason rossi stayed on the track was cause of hitting Gibernau, Rossi took Gibernau all the way to the outside and where Gibernau went off is right at the apex where they should have been at the inside of the track.
looking at the vid
when contact was made they were still on the inside of the track
it looks like after they hit he/they went waaaay ofline.
could rossi have finished the turn if gibernau wasn't there... dunno.

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First off, Gibernau was still in the lend when they hit, which means Gibernau had the right away. You can see that from the onboard view (the second view). Secondly, look at the black marks on the race track, the white and blue rumble stip at the inside of the track is the apex. Look at the top view of the video.

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This is gonna be a discussion for the ages.. What a race though!

It looked to be like Sete ran into Rossi on thar final turn.

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DUDE, your all nuts!! Rossi went WAY!!!! off line. Rossi just about missed the turn all together!!! Rossi missed the apex so BAD that he was all the way on the OUTSIDE of the turn at the APEX!!!!! I'm a big Rossi fan but that was BULLSHIT!!

I totally agree with you. My point was that if Sete had been on the tighter line, Rossi would have been discouraged from making that move. I think the crash was Rossi's fault and he should have apologized in the interview. I remember Micheal Schumacher doing the same thing a couple of times. Once to Jacques Villenueve and once to Damon Hil I believe. I didn't like it then and I don't like it now.
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whats worse is after he knocks him off the track he rides a wheelie to the finish line, hows that for adding insult to the injury!!!

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Sete "gave" Rossi room, Rossi took it. This is why he is the best, no apology necessary. What the fuck do you guys want, it's PRO racing. If it was us dicing it up on a trackday or even club level race I'd say sure a little too forceful but these guys get paid to win and that's that, Rossi deserves his top spot on the podium.

If you where Sete what would you be saying to yourself...

Would it be "fuck that dude, he just stole the race from me"

or "shit, I really blew it when I left him all that room on the inside"

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First off, Gibernau was still in the lend when they hit, which means Gibernau had the right away.
No doubt about it, that was a hairy move no matter how you look at it.
I was whoaaaing from the couch much less how it looked on a bike.

Is there a "right of way" fighting for the win on the last lap of a the MotoGP race ?

Pretty good drama for the season opener. I can't wait until the next race.


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Sete "gave" Rossi room, Rossi took it. This is why he is the best, no apology necessary. What the fuck do you guys want, it's PRO racing. If it was us dicing it up on a trackday or even club level race I'd say sure a little too forceful but these guys get paid to win and that's that, Rossi deserves his top spot on the podium.
That was a 100% yellow plate club level racing move. You should try it.
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Is there a "right of way" fighting for the win on the last lap of a the MotoGP race ?
only for guys like Hopkins and Tamada who get suspended for moves like that.
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whats worse is after he knocks him off the track he rides a wheelie to the finish line, hows that for adding insult to the injury!!!
did you also notice what gibernau was doing when he crossed the stripe? by his "right-hand" actions, he knew he got screwed...lol...i'm a rossi fan, but judging on the way he raced today (a bit sloppy), i think most of the blame is on him...he overshot several corners during the race...maybe he wasn't totally in it today...hmmmmm...
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What happened to Nicky ?? I thought for sure he was locked for that podium spot. ..
About the 20th lap, he tucked the front in the final hairpin, and took himself out of a definite podium.
That's 2 crashes in as many races(crashed out of the last race of the '04 season), Honda not gonna want to keep him if he doesn't get his act together soon. and as it turned out, if he would've just kept played it safe and not push it he woulda ended up in 2nd

But what a hell of a final lap that was between Sete and The Lord God Almighi....I mean Rossi

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re: the move

Rossi is a smart guy right?
He knows how to ride that bike extremely well.
So it stands to reason that what we saw was a deliberate and premeditated move. That was the ONLY way he could win; a bullsh*t move.





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That was a 100% yellow plate club level racing move. You should try it.
I didn't see the race but this is what it sounds like. It's one thing to stuff someone up the inside, it's another to use them as a berm.

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That last lap was some great racing. I was on the edge of my couch wondering if Vale or Sete would take the checkered.

Now, this will be debated until the end of time, but to me it looked like Rossi took the inside and Sete got pissed and leaned in to bump him. In the slow-motion you can see Sete forcefully leaning his shoulder into Vale and it almost looks like he's trying to knock him down.

I saw Sete's hand jacking motion as he came across the line. Not a perfect clean win, but it was a win. And this is just the beginning of a great season between the two of them.

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I do want to try it. I never said I thought Rossi's pass was wrong, just I could understand at a normal guy level why opponents would get mad, but pros have no reason to complain.

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I say Rossi is innocent. You had 2 strong willed people trying to win. It was like watching 2 fat guys trying to make it thru a single doorway with neither letting the other go first. I was blown away how Hayden was on Rossi's ass for half the race, but as usual he crashes. Didn't he crash out about 4 times last motogp season?

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Nicky looked like he was trying to catch up with the 2 leaders who were WAY ahead of him. Didn't look like Melandri was seriously a threat to him but he could have been trying to put some distance between himself and Melandri. .

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Gibernau was protecting the inside line, he was way to the inside of where the racing line was. Rossi when went even farther to the inside and when he realised how far to the inside he was he said "oh shit" and that was when he took his foot off the inside peg. Gibernau was already turned in, committed to a line, Rossi was still upright and hadn't even turned in yet when they hit. Look at the vid, Rossi's bike was straight up and down with his foot off the inside peg. Rossi was behind Gibernau, so Gibernau didn't even know Rossi was there. There are no mirrors on those bike and riders do not have eyes in the back of there heads which is why there are rules that state that the rider in front has the right of away. Look at the track, at the point Gibernau was in the middle of the track is where the racing line was all the way to the outside. Gibernau was turning in and Rossi came in way HOT, tryed to get his bike turned and COULDN'T! Resulting in Rossi hitting Gibernau from BEHIND, taking Gibernau all the way to the outside and off the track. Rossi barely stayed on the track, they were all the way to the outside where the racing line was all the way to the inside. The racing line is outside to inside to outside NOT inside to outside to inside. I've lost much respect for Rossi. That was CHEAP!!

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This is not the interstate where you'd get pissed if someone cuts you off. If this was a few laps back, Sete would just run it wider, let Rossi pass and wait for another opportunity. Since this was the final corner, he just refused to back off.

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