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post #1 of 35 (permalink) Old 05-31-2005, 12:51 PM Thread Starter
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Well after spending my first track day on RA all i have to say is WOW! Track riding is quite an experience. At first it was quite overwhelming. I was by far the slowest guy in "B" for the first couple sessions, was getting lapped by like half the group by the checkered. But as the day progressed i definitely noticed quite an improvement. I was the guy on the Blk/Slvr 600rr, sorry to any who i held up throughout the day, i tried to not go crazy on the straights so i could be passed more easily.

My last session was by far the best of the day, I got into a great rythm and was able to keep up (even consider passing) they guys who were pulling away from me at the beginning of the session. Now mind you this was still in the slow part of the B group, but for me it was a world of improvement. It took me quite a few sessions just to get to know the track and know which turns to look out for and such. By the end of the day i found i was shifting my body w/o even thinkin about it and had a much better feel for the entry speed i was comfortable with (instead of just OH SHIT IM FLYING INTO THIS TURN BETTER BRAKE!)

All in all I only had one real scare when i broke my tire free downshifting before T2 between markers 3 and 2. That was interesting, need to work on the shifting for sure. Other than that i got to see a guy brake is chain 30 feet in front of me on the back straight and spray oil all over me... that was cool

I cant wait to hear every one else's stories, wish i could have ran today the weather looks to be just as good. Hope everyone made it home safe!

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Cool, glad you had fun! It was a great day! I was the CR on the RC51.

Yeah, I wish I was back there today too. I'm sitting here in my office 1/2 hour away.
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Watrskii, I was the guy with the orange gixxer pitted right by you. Wish I'd known, there weren't many CLSB people there on Monday.

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Wow - yea, we had great weather Monday. I forgot how freakin fast that track is - I can't tell you how much time I spent with my chin pratically down on my tank trying to stay out of the 160 mph air-flow that tries to rip your head off.

Took a while to figure to the track again, but my afternoon I was moving around there pretty good. Lane & Linsay were flying around on their liter bikes. The advanced group was almost empty

It was good to see some CLSBs - Jon, Josh & Steve were pitted right near me - so we all hung out a bit. Als saw Tom (Kneeinpain) and Ernie & David. My hotel was real nice - compliments of Kruz (Kruz - I just had them put the room, and all the porn I watched, on that same credit card - hope you don't mind )

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Watrskii, I was the guy with the orange gixxer pitted right by you. Wish I'd known, there weren't many CLSB people there on Monday.
Yeah i took a lap by the trailers lookin for any familiar faces but didnt see any. after i got back i looked through the roll call to see who was actually there. Saw ur checkin and wondered if that was you nearby. Ah well, will have to look for ya next time i'm out there

heh... cant wait for next time

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Saw ernie, looked for ther rest of you but never saw you guys (Dave, John). Do you guys even go to the riders meeting?

That place rocks. Loved it.
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Watrskii, I was the guy with the orange gixxer pitted right by you. Wish I'd known, there weren't many CLSB people there on Monday.
Wow, I missed all you guys...OR WERE YOU GUYS AVOIDING ME! I offered a free beer to any CLSB guys who stopped by and said hey... I guess I can't even buy friends! J/K

Actually, I did hook up with Rick (TL 1000) and Ken (Super Hawk).

For me, first time at RA. I did Mon and Tue in the I group and absolutely had a blast. Took some time getting used to the track and keeping my chin on the tank from the extreme speeds, but it was a blast. The long carousel ate my Diablo Corsa's (anybody need some Diablo Corsa take-offs for the street?)

I also tested my limits and found them...wound up on my head outside of turn 14 as a result. But it is all good, broke in my spanking new leathers...no damage to the bike or me.

Props to Garth and Nesba. And big props to the CR's (especially Paul and Jim), you guys rock.

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Couldn't make it...

I almost drove up Tuesday but I was feeling so hot.
I also decided at the last minute not to go; anything that could have went wrong this weekend seemed to, so I guess it wasn't meant to happen. I'll make some later this season, when everything is ready to go...

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I ran on Monday, with a reversed Diablo Corsa rear, and wore it down to nothing left. I improved my lap times over 7 seconds on that rediculous tire! It held though, right down to the wear bars on both sides. It did change a little, and started sliding a bit more. But they were more controlled power slides than near highside material. Well, except for once exiting 14. I caught a good one on the exit there. A guy who was behind me gave me the thumbs up while he took advantage of my mistake.

Oh wait, there was one bad thing with the tire. It got so beveled that it developed a ridge between the center and the sides. When just beginning to tip it in, it wobbled and walked the rear of the bike all around. I thought it was me, not being smooth enough, but I later realized what it was. It didn't matter once I was over. That is probably what gave me the exciting moment exiting 14. I must have straightened up the bike enough to put it right on that ridge during the exit so it spun up fast.

It was a fantastic track experience. I don't think there was even one red flag the whole day. A huge crew of my favorite track folks were there, including my wife Debbie and my friend Dave. Dave rides, but has never done a track day. He was soaking up the atmosphere, and getting that look in his eye...

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Wow, I missed all you guys...OR WERE YOU GUYS AVOIDING ME! I offered a free beer to any CLSB guys who stopped by and said hey... I guess I can't even buy friends! J/K

Actually, I did hook up with Rick (TL 1000) and Ken (Super Hawk).
It was sure nice to meet you Ron.
And that beer was refreshing! I had to stop and get dinner on the way home and get another one

I was pretty intimidated on the first session. Then improved every session after. I went a little wide several times mostly on the lefties. By the end of the day I had pretty good idea on how to take each of the corners. The hard part was executing it right!

The weather was great and no one really got hurt. (One hurt ankle is all I know about)

= Success


That carousel is more than 360deg I swear.
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and no one really got hurt. (One hurt ankle is all I know about)
Yep. That should be a lesson to everyone...If your first ever track day is gonna be on your new ZX-10R with stock street tires, be VERY careful on the drive out of the corners.

Hey, it was great meeting you too Ken. I hope the wife is doing OK with the multiple deaths in her family.

Later Bro!

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This was my first track with the new bike. It took a little to get used it and all I can say is damn!!! I thought the F4 was easy to ride, but the 636 is so effortless.

You think about turning and it leans over for you. I found myself braking way later than I thought I could, and then thinking I can go deeper next time. The slipper clutch is great invention, downshift and let it the back wiggle a little then tip it in.


The stock BT014's that are on the bike should not be on the track. Sliding through turns is not the greatest feeling to me. Plus they are the main cause for the incidents that were experienced. I was coming out of the bend and started rolling on the throttle, then whoa!!!!!!, as I am bouncing my chest of the windscreen. The back stepped out pretty hard and caught. When it did I got thrown up and came back down on the windscreen. Thought to myself “I’ve had a great, so lets end it before it comes bad”. Luckily this happened the last session so it was a good stopping point.

Finally got the bump into I this time. I found the pace comfortable and enjoyed it a lot.

Also if anyone was in the carousel the last intermediate session of the day on monday and saw the bike go over the tire wall, yes over the wall, please let me know. This is a friend of mine and he is looking for other accounts of the incident. Rider is fine, sprained ankle and a pulled muscle in his upper back. Bike does not look too bad, body work, subframe, muffler and right rearset are the main parts that need replacement. Bike will be getting computracked and then the reconstruction will begin.

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Ouch! Over the wall? I'm glad he is not too badly damaged.
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Welepro and I were there on Tuesday running in I group. We got to Plymouth Rock campground the night before about 8 o clock, when he discovered that he forgot his helmet, lol! so...we begged and pleaded his girl to meet us halfway with it, and were back at the campsite at midnight. Tuesday was a slow start for both of us, but by the afternoon sessions I felt I had the track fairly figured out and was keeping a good pace. I did have problems that last few sessions with my XT lap timer, anyone else have problems too? I'd get back to the pits and it would have a few lap times around 1:15 or so, I was wondering if someone put out another beacon somewhere. Anyways, I really wish I did both days, I didn't want to leave! lots of fun, hope to go again this season.

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...I did have problems that last few sessions with my XT lap timer, anyone else have problems too? I'd get back to the pits and it would have a few lap times around 1:15 or so, I was wondering if someone put out another beacon somewhere. Anyways, I really wish I did both days, I didn't want to leave! lots of fun, hope to go again this season.

naaah...yer just crazy fast. one minute faster than the AMA guys that will be there this weekend
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The stock BT014's that are on the bike should not be on the track. Sliding through turns is not the greatest feeling to me. Plus they are the main cause for the incidents that were experienced. I was coming out of the bend and started rolling on the throttle, then whoa!!!!!!, as I am bouncing my chest of the windscreen. The back stepped out pretty hard and caught. When it did I got thrown up and came back down on the windscreen. Thought to myself “I’ve had a great, so lets end it before it comes bad”. Luckily this happened the last session so it was a good stopping point.
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This complaint is pretty common. If you roll on too fast it's very easy to slide the back end out resulting in tankslappers or high sides. It's most often found on liter bikes, but at least one 600 highsided in that exact spot over CCS weekend. Danch highsided on his Daytona there last year. Unfortunately, that "too fast" point varies by weather, tire condition, lean angle, etc.. What works at one time may send you flying the next. If you haven't done so, get a steering damper.

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[QUOTE=ronhix]Yep. That should be a lesson to everyone...If your first ever track day is gonna be on your new ZX-10R with stock street tires, be VERY careful on the drive out of the corners.[QUOTE]

Do you have killby sticker on your bike? If so, saw, ya, sorry for not saying high. Didn't see you out in the kitty litter, glad all went well. Our crew consisted of my last generation red and black zx6, a red f3, a primer rc51, and a black and silver f4i. Nice bike by the way, good riddin too.
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Hey, it was great meeting you too Ken. I hope the wife is doing OK with the multiple deaths in her family.

Later Bro!
Thanks, she didn't sleep much last night, but We'll be alright, now. Going to the funerals this Sat. in Springfield.


Over the wall? I'd like to hear about that too!! That track is good about keeping the flow going. Glad he's OK.
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Yeah, I saw the guy in I group who was sitting around the gravel trap in the carousel but I didn't see a bike... that's where it went...

Also, does anyone know what happened to the guy with yellow leathers in I group who was parked on the inside of the track in Canada corner? For the life of me, I couldn't think of a good reason why anyone would end up on the inside of a corner instead of on the outside unless maybe he ran outta gas or something.

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I got a bunch of oddball lap times in the morning too. It seemed like a split time beacon was out there somewhere. Then I got some 2:08's and 2:14's. Obviously not my times. Starting with the third session, the times were pretty accurate. I got three 2:45's in a row, so those must be accurate.
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Yeah, I saw the guy in I group who was sitting around the gravel trap in the carousel but I didn't see a bike... that's where it went...

Also, does anyone know what happened to the guy with yellow leathers in I group who was parked on the inside of the track in Canada corner? For the life of me, I couldn't think of a good reason why anyone would end up on the inside of a corner instead of on the outside unless maybe he ran outta gas or something.
I saw that same thing too, pretty wierd!

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Yeah, I saw the guy in I group who was sitting around the gravel trap in the carousel but I didn't see a bike... that's where it went...

Also, does anyone know what happened to the guy with yellow leathers in I group who was parked on the inside of the track in Canada corner? For the life of me, I couldn't think of a good reason why anyone would end up on the inside of a corner instead of on the outside unless maybe he ran outta gas or something.
Perhaps this was the guy who lost his oil cap and oiled down the track?

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Do you have killby sticker on your bike? Nice bike by the way, good riddin too.
Thanks for the compliments, but...that wasn't me! I was the slow guy on the rashed up red/wht f4i that you passed so fast you didn't even notice me.

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I, too, had a great time on Monday. Couldn't make Tuesday b/c of work, but I wish I had one more day there. I was starting to get comfortable with the track and the downright crazy speeds by the end of Monday.

Road America is SO different from all the other local tracks. There are some technical corners, but the thing that's hardest to get used to is how fast the track is... which means how much FASTER your entry and corner speed need to be to link up for the next corner. It was nice to actually use 6th gear on a race track-- never had to go up that high on any other track. Now I can legitimately say I went 175-180mph on a sportbike! Ya gotta love that mile-long front straight!

As for lap times, I was a bit disappointed I never dropped out of the 2:40 range, but my best time was 2:40.89 with my average times in the 2:41-2:42 range. I know I could have found a few seconds once I got more comfortable with the corner entry speeds at the end of the front and back straights, but I could never get my brain to let go of the survival instinct of coasting and then braking really hard at the end of those fast straightaways. With Ernie's coaching and eventual badgering, I was able to go faster through T1 by the end of the day, but he kept saying I should be going at least 115mph through that corner instead of my 90mph. All I gotta say to him is, "When's the last time you got a good look at how close that tire barrier looks entering T1 that fast?"

I saw Kneeinpain in line and selston came by to say hi, but didn't really get a chance to ride with them in the advanced group. There were only a handful of us in the group and if you didn't leave together, you probably wouldn't end up seeing them on the track.

The R1 feels like a completely different bike with all the street stuff off and only the race plastics. I'm pretty sure I lost about 30lbs. of unnecessary weight removing all the street parts. I even had to soften up the preload in front to compensate for the lost weight.

I also tried some Pazzo racing aftermarket brake and clutch levers similar to the CRG ones in the shorty version-- One word, AWESOME! So much more braking power and clutch modulation down to the micrometer. So it's not just a "bling bling" modification, but improved my confidence in braking and throttle/clutch control. I never had a problem with rear wheel lock up b/c of the new-found clutch modulating abilities. The Pazzo's are a bit expensive for just simple levers (but still cheaper than the CRG's), but considering that they are only thing connecting me to the brakes and engine control, I'd say they are worth every penny.

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Perhaps this was the guy who lost his oil cap and oiled down the track?
actually..

the guy who dropped oil was due to his chain snapping and gouging a 1" dia. hole in his engine. I know this cuz i was about 30' back when it flew off and was followed by a big poof of smoke. Was quite an interesting sight. He was pitting near me also so i got to see the damage afterwards. Chain was rusty as hell so im sure that contributed. Man it did some damage to his bike, hole in the engine, thrashed plastics, u name it. Whole rear side was covered in oil.

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post #30 of 35 (permalink) Old 06-01-2005, 06:24 PM
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as was said before, Road America is unlike most tracks in America. Very Fast.. .. not even close to Blackhawk or other tracks around Chicago. Too fast for an old guy like me.. but i still like to go there 2 or 3 times a year.
if i'm doing 150 to 160, maybe 170 (indicated) on the front and back straight, i can imagine what guys who are really trying, are doing. it is a fun feeling when, under maximum acceleration, your front tire lifts up on the front straight and the steering gets light and i say to myself, lean further forward over the tank and stay tucked because yesterday (Tuesday), at those speeds , it sure seemed like the wind was trying to blow my head off. maybe the wind itself was blowing in a bad direction. or the new gixxer 1000 windshield doesn't shield as well as my 2003 or my busa. in any case, i also noticed at RA yesterday, the spot between the kink and Kettle Bottoms, where for some reason my bike seemed dangerously close to the edge of the track, at speed. especially when passing other riders. There is a hole, on the right side, where the pavement meets the grass. You drop a wheel off there and it would be bad. scary. not that dropping a wheel off anywhere would be good.. Anyway, my point of this post is variety and that's why i wanted to try other tracks in the country. As some of you know, we talked about visiting other tracks such as Road Atlanta, Barber, Laguna Seca, you name it. i am almost afraid to mention this because, i would have to complete my purchase of the 6 bike pace trailer. see next thread...
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