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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 06-01-2005, 02:05 AM Thread Starter
 
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What would be a good educational track day to attend?

I'd like to set my sights on a track day for later this summer... throw out some recommendations.

I need some time to get my bike in order and find someone else who is going that would graciously allow me a trailer spot.
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NESBA.

Go on their website and sign up for a Blackhawk or Autobahn day. You can sign up for 2 free sessions, called the Intro Group. But if I were you I'd just get a membership and sign up for a whole day in the Beginner Group. I haven't met anyone who did the Intro and said, "eh, this is not for me." They usually get hooked right away.

I have been riding with NESBA since my first time on a track. Their instruction is great, and they keep good track of what's going on. The Control Riders are also top-notch and are very helpful and easy to approach.

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If you're a first-time track day rider, there are a couple of options that I would recommend in addition to NESBA: PrivateTrackTime is hosting a track day geared especially toward novice trackday riders later this month. Also, STT offers a very structured beginner group, combining skill drills and classroom sessions. Instructor/student ratios are low - you are pretty much assured individual attention and feedback - and you will have lots of track time.

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post #4 of 24 (permalink) Old 06-01-2005, 07:27 AM
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I can only comment on the ones that I have been to.


STT, Cornerspeed and Team Pro Motion are very good about educating the begginer trackday rider. Very helpful and a no pressure and safe trackday. I would recommend any one of the three.
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I just didn RA w/ NESBA and the friend i was with started w/ Sportbike Track Time and said the beginner group was MUCH slower and more structured. After the beginner meeting w/ nesba i didnt get any more instruction for the day, barely even saw any control riders unless they were blowing by me. Didnt really bother me, I had so much to get used to that there wasnt really much they could help me with. Really just spent the day feeling the track out. But if u want some real focused instruction i would stay away from NESBA (dont mean to bash a site sponsor, cuz i really had a great time and will do it again) but i heard guys in the B group talking about how they raced WERA 2 yrs ago and control riders in the B group telling people they were running at a Mid-I group pace.... thats FAST for a B group i think

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Honestly, for a good first track day, RA is NOT the place. Most organizations have to rent the track during the week to get it, which makes getting CRs up there a bit of a hassle (most live way out of state, for a one day event for virtually no pay). It's also an ungodly long track to try and learn for a first one. I've done an STT day there and their drills don't really apply to that track (one gear drill at RA is impossible). STT's fastest beginner group runs a controlled pace faster than most of the intermediates in their track days.

With any organization, you have to ask for the attention, notice which CR is following you (or leading), then ask them for comments. Rarely do they hunt people down for advice.

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Grover has a good point about RA being your first trackday. That's why I suggested Blackhawk or Autobahn. I've not ridden Autobahn, but I've seen the course layout and the north track isn't as long as BHF and doesn't look as technical.

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I would have to say STT for a beginner simply because of what Good2Go said, they have classroom structure, have you do exercises that will get you more comfortable riding on the track and I think give excellent feedback at that level. I also agree that RA probably isn't the best place for a first track day. I would say Blackhawk or Gingerman would be good choices, or Putnam is also a good choice.
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NESBA.

Go on their website and sign up for a Blackhawk or Autobahn day. You can sign up for 2 free sessions, called the Intro Group. But if I were you I'd just get a membership and sign up for a whole day in the Beginner Group. I haven't met anyone who did the Intro and said, "eh, this is not for me." They usually get hooked right away.

I have been riding with NESBA since my first time on a track. Their instruction is great, and they keep good track of what's going on. The Control Riders are also top-notch and are very helpful and easy to approach.

Good luck, and I hope to see ya out there.
+1... Hard to beat Free. My first day at the track was 2 months ago at Blackhawk.

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I can only comment on the ones that I have been to.
I really like Blackhawk Farms, but I'm wondering if either of the Autobahn circuits would be better suited since the facility/track is so new.

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Keep in mind that RA is a huge track and a very popular event for Nesba. The CRs do their best to make it safe and enjoyable for their members.

You really need to speak up and express interest in a CR helping you out.

Their primary responsibility is safety. Personal instruction is a secondary benefit.
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I think i might have come off wrong there a bit.

I was agree with you guys the best. RA is not the best place to start, but at the same time with this weekend being probably my only chance to get on RA (due to scheduling) i wasnt gonna miss it.... and BOY i had fun. I wasnt really looking for input from the CR's because hell i didnt even get to really know the track til the 4th or 5th session cuz its so big. I just went out there, rode in my comfort level and got smoother as the day went on.

I was just trying to express what i was told that STT is more instructional if you are looking for something structured. I myself just wanted to get out there and get familiar on my own, and i knew that if i did get to the point where i wanted input that i could ask for it, but hell i was so much slower than everyone else i knew it was just a question of pracitice and getting comfortable

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I would recommend BHF for the first time. There are no elevation changes, blind corners, or decreasing radius turns. Just a straight forward track to practice cornering skills. And a shorter track allows more laps so you repeat a corner while it's still fresh in your mind from the last lap.

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I'd recomment STT as the first track day as well, especially if you are not 100% comfortable with high speed track riding. It is much more of a classroom type track day than NESBA days, but if you have to spend more than 2 days in their beginner group and listen to the same class over and over again (they repeat everything pretty much verbatim every day for the new people) then it is really annoying, so what I did was go with STT for the first track day and then NESBA from then on.

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So how does everyone here get their bikes+gear to the track?
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So how does everyone here get their bikes+gear to the track?
Big ugly van. Carries all my bike and gear and doubles as a rolling hotel room (sort-of).

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I really like Blackhawk Farms, but I'm wondering if either of the Autobahn circuits would be better suited since the facility/track is so new.

Really doesn't matter which track as long as it is not Daytina or Road America.

Blackhawk, Autobahn, Putnam, Gingerman, Grattan, Beaverun are all great tracks to start off on.
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94 S-10 pickup. Hauls all my gear ez up crf 50 for a pit bike my race bike, cooler,race gas, tires, tools, and GF all fit in the back

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So how does everyone here get their bikes+gear to the track?
I can cram everything into a 1997 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP COUPE with a harbor freight 5x8 trailer in tow. My race packing list is noticeably more than my track day packing list (rains, extra cooler, all spare parts). Hell, last time I had room for the take-offs as well. I don't really have room for a pit vehicle though.

I've been meaning to get a van to haul with, but the grand prix is paid for.

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So how does everyone here get their bikes+gear to the track?
I've got an enclosed 6x12 trailer, carpeted, with e-track. I usually have room for a 2nd bike and I don't mind hauling one and helping a buddy out.

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E250 van with 7x14 enclosed trailer... set up to haul 2 big bikes plus the pit bike plus a queen-size bed, spare tires/rims, helmets, parts, tools, coolers, clothing, canopy, squirrel cage, chairs, blah, blah, blah...

When I first started, we had the one bike, tools etc etc all in the van - and that's where we slept too.

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NESBA.

Go on their website and sign up for a Blackhawk or Autobahn day. You can sign up for 2 free sessions, called the Intro Group. But if I were you I'd just get a membership and sign up for a whole day in the Beginner Group. I haven't met anyone who did the Intro and said, "eh, this is not for me." They usually get hooked right away.

I have been riding with NESBA since my first time on a track. Their instruction is great, and they keep good track of what's going on. The Control Riders are also top-notch and are very helpful and easy to approach.

Good luck, and I hope to see ya out there.

I'm not sure who is holding a track day at Gingerman Mi but that is a great first time track. No elevation changes and a pretty simple layout with a lot of runoff room, a very forgiving track.

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