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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 06-14-2005, 09:11 AM Thread Starter
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For those using slicks at the track...

For track day use, if you are using slicks is it absolutely essential to get tirewarmers? Thinking about going the route of slicks for tires, but weighing out the additional costs of that change..
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From what I've been told it's really not necessary unless you're racing. The reason being that you'll warm your tires up in a lap or 2 but if you're racing you need to ride hard from the time the flag drops. If you run slicks take it easy for a bit longer than on DOTs.

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Keep in mind also that (depending on the manufacturer) slicks may or may not have a different profile than DOT's - you may need to adjust your suspension, too.

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Do a lap or two in modest pace to heat the tires up and then go fast. Tire warmers are not essential for any tire. It's just really nice to have when it's cold out and the track is green.
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jeff doesnt use them, but i use them mainly to reduce the heat cycles

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I just started using them with slicks at AB this weekend. Its nice to be able to go into those first couple laps as confident as if it were your last couple of the session.

A big plus is that the slicks wore even more smoothly than usual with the limited heat cycles.
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I have been using warmers, but didn't at AB on Sunday due to no power and not really tracking down any sources. It was the first time in a while that I had run slicks w/o the warmers too. No biggie. I would basically run 1 moderate lap then turn it up and didn't have any issues with grip. They are nice to have though, but not a necessity.

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The biggest benefit to using warmers is the reduction in number of heat cycles the tires experience throughout the day (resulting in potentially increased tire life).

(regardless of whether you run slicks or DOT's.)

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Why slicks? Let's use blackhawk for an example - unless you're turning better than 1:14 lap times you're not getting any advantage with slicks. I know I've heard it all before - there's more of a contact patch - better traction - true race profile etc If you're looking to try them out then give it a shot but to commit to these for good it isn't worth it. Posers, want-to-be's and beginners are typically into slicks. Look at the fast guys out there. Hardly any of them use slicks. Plus you can't sell your slick take offs to the street squids who want to look like they race. Try them out but you'll be back to race compound DOTs.

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Some of us "posers" who do track days only, like the durability and extra stickiness of slicks. We switched midway last year after the cost and durability of the DOTs became ridiculous.

We buy them used so there goes the argument of no one wanting/selling them either.

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I'm not getting down on everyone using slicks. I'm just say what I have experienced and know as fact more often than not. I've just seen so many newbs thinking they will be the next Hayden if they switch to slicks. If you have your reasons and it works - price - sticky - then do it. I've always ran Michelin's and sold them after a weekend for $75 to $150 depending on wear. (Figures a poser would be the first to reply )

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Why slicks? Let's use blackhawk for an example - unless you're turning better than 1:14 lap times you're not getting any advantage with slicks. I know I've heard it all before - there's more of a contact patch - better traction - true race profile etc If you're looking to try them out then give it a shot but to commit to these for good it isn't worth it. Posers, want-to-be's and beginners are typically into slicks. Look at the fast guys out there. Hardly any of them use slicks. Plus you can't sell your slick take offs to the street squids who want to look like they race. Try them out but you'll be back to race compound DOTs.
crap... I guess I better find some DOTs for my TZ250
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Im the moderator of this forum, that's why I posted here first.

I guess I should just sell all my slicks, not try new tire brands/types and just rely on your vast knowledge of motorcycle roadracing.

Come on now, let's try to be civil here. Your opinion is noted...I'll decide based on my experience and those I respect what tire to run.
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I had friends switch to slicks back in my GLRRA days. I could hang with them before that but after they switched they killed me. It may be the rider, but at the very least it gave them the confidence to wick it up.

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Im the moderator of this forum, that's why I posted here first.

I guess I should just sell all my slicks, not try new tire brands/types and just rely on your vast knowledge of motorcycle roadracing.

Come on now, let's try to be civil here. Your opinion is noted...I'll decide based on my experience and those I respect what tire to run.
I'm sorry but what? Nothing I posted was un-civil. As for my "(Figures a poser would be the first to reply )" remark I figured the laughing smile would have tipped you off to sarcasim. And feel free to use my vast knowledge. I won't even charge you! (See - there's that laughing smiley again!)

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I switch between slicks and dot race an use tire warmers sometimes with both of them. Slicks do seem to last longer as I get more days out of them then 208 GP's.

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This comes under the category of "Duh!".

Don't use supersoft compound for the rear when it's 90 degrees out. I did just this at Autobahn on Saturday, and I just about fried them after 3 sessions. The spun up very badly in a couple of spots. I put on a soft, and that worked way better. The supersoft gave a very mushy feel at that temperature. I measured the track surface temp of the track on Monday, which was cooler than Saturday, and it was 120 degrees! I bet that a medium compound would have been best under those conditions.

It seemed that most of the "A" group was running slicks this weekend, for whatever reason. I ran a supersoft Supercorsa in front, and those two compounds of Supercorsa slicks for the rear. I did not use warmers. It was so hot that there was hardly a need for warmers anyway.

This was the first time I've tried slicks. I was running them just because I got them cheap. They have the same profile as the Supercorsa as far as I know. They feel the same, no real difference.
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