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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 06-30-2005, 10:59 AM Thread Starter
 
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This might be a dumb question but I will ask anyways. When watching Rossi Mladin Biaggi and so forth they take turns and they look to have their bikes practically laying on the fairings they are so far leaned over. Why is it that when you see the marketing pics on yamaha.com or honda.com or where ever, even regula riders at a track that are very experienced that they are never close to having the bike that far over?

what is so different on the GP bikes for that type of lean angle to be possible? and i am talking lean angle where they keep their knee next to the bike because there isnt enough room to stick it out.
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Not a track rider either, but my guess is its how tight the turn is that is being photographed, and how fast they're takin it, not the type of bike.

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When doing the marketing thing I am guessing they are on bone stock bikes with stock tires. Yamaha, Honda.ect want you to see what a showroom floor bike lookis like not one that has been track prepped with suspension and race tires.


Also whao Mladinrep said it depends on the corner they are taking. Every corner is not a total lean angle corner.
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When doing the marketing thing I am guessing they are on bone stock bikes with stock tires. Yamaha, Honda.ect want you to see what a showroom floor bike lookis like not one that has been track prepped with suspension and race tires.


Also whao Mladinrep said it depends on the corner they are taking. Every corner is not a total lean angle corner.

ok fine lets take the marketing pics out of the discussion. i dont really see pics of racers (amateur) taking corners with that much lean angle. lets take into account that these bikes are not stock and have suspension and tire mods done. i realize not every corner has full lean angle but i still dont see pics of full on lean outside of motoGP. am i wrong and just missing them? i doubt it because I am always amazed at the angle they take and that the bike remains on the rubber. Look at classic pics of Carl Foggerty and Rossi and then tell me that normal bikes do this. Maybe it is just a fear thing. Most racers/riders cant take it that far for fear??? maybe???
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look at Dan's avatar sometime, looks like an aweful lot of lean angle to me

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look at Dan's avatar sometime, looks like an aweful lot of lean angle to me

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Also look at sliderphotos calander. The cover has a stock 929 on it with crazy lean angle.
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I'd say this is close to full lean:
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ok fine lets take the marketing pics out of the discussion. i dont really see pics of racers (amateur) taking corners with that much lean angle. lets take into account that these bikes are not stock and have suspension and tire mods done. i realize not every corner has full lean angle but i still dont see pics of full on lean outside of motoGP. am i wrong and just missing them? i doubt it because I am always amazed at the angle they take and that the bike remains on the rubber. Look at classic pics of Carl Foggerty and Rossi and then tell me that normal bikes do this. Maybe it is just a fear thing. Most racers/riders cant take it that far for fear??? maybe???

Well first off... Carl Fogerty never raced in Grand Prix so your lean angle argument is lost. Also take into account that the MotoGP bikes are smaller and thinner than say superbikes so there is more available lean angle before you start dragging hard parts. 125 GP bikes probably lean farther over than any other machine but it doesn't seem that way because the bikes are so thin. As far as fear of leaning your bike over that far... you don't have to go fast to lean your bike over. I'm sure alot of the racers and trackday guys here wish they could lean their bikes over more but simply can't due to hard parts dragging.
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Well first off... Carl Fogerty never raced in Grand Prix so your lean angle argument is lost. Also take into account that the MotoGP bikes are smaller and thinner than say superbikes so there is more available lean angle before you start dragging hard parts. 125 GP bikes probably lean farther over than any other machine but it doesn't seem that way because the bikes are so thin. As far as fear of leaning your bike over that far... you don't have to go fast to lean your bike over. I'm sure alot of the racers and trackday guys here wish they could lean their bikes over more but simply can't due to hard parts dragging.

ok so the bikes are a little smaller and thinner. that i can understand becuase even when looking at dan's avatar or the pic posted there isnt the extreme lean that i am talking about. although those are close. i dont know maybe it is just me and i am not realizing they are the same. it just seems like the GP riders get all the way over.

case in point.
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Hawkeye - The picture you attached shows the craziness! If you put that picture back-to-back with his same bike INTENTIONALLY laid on it's fairings....I'm sure we're talking like 3 degrees difference....wow
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I believe this is lean angle that will make even Tamada proud and it's on a fat pig of a ZX7RR
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Well first off... Carl Fogerty never raced in Grand Prix.
Foggy did race GP but, it was only for a year. He did wildcard appearances mostly. Never really full time.


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The first turn is the worst turn, between the left ear and the right one.

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Foggy did race GP but, it was only for a year.
really? I did not know that. What team did he ride for?
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really? I did not know that. What team did he ride for?
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Largely wildcard stuff. He had a deal, at one point but he abandoned the deal because it was a second tier team.

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The first turn is the worst turn, between the left ear and the right one.
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Doesn't Spies pretty regularly drag elbow?
+1 on everyone that says it's a figure or your imagination Hawkeye.

That pic from last weekend that bwa posted is a pretty good representation!

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Largely wildcard stuff. He had a deal, at one point but he abandoned the deal because it was a second tier team.
You're like a motorcycle racing almanac.
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You're like a motorcycle racing almanac.
Speaking of which, last week I was at the track and met Jeff, RacingXTC, for the first time but, for some reason I told him I was supposed to ride his bike. You should have seen the look on his face, poor guy. Then I said, "Sorry, Jeff. I think that was Rev's 125 I was going to ride."


"For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.' The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard..."

The first turn is the worst turn, between the left ear and the right one.
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Rev's got a 250 Bill. That's sick amounts of power!

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Rev's got a 250 Bill. That's sick amounts of power!
Dang! I can't even get the displacement right. Sorry, Rev!

"For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.' The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard..."

The first turn is the worst turn, between the left ear and the right one.
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