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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 07-11-2005, 03:51 PM Thread Starter
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I was always curious as to why alot of you guys prefer track days to racing? From the way some of you guys keep track of lap times and bust each other's balls about who's faster tells me that you are into the competition aspects of riding on the track. So why not try your hand at racing? I'd love to see all you track day guys out racing. The more the merrier.
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I like the idea of track days because I hate the idea of someone like you stuffing me into a turn. I also hate the idea of making contact with another rider. Finally, the idea of the starting grid...and stampeding into T1...gives me the heebie jeebies.

Net: Racing sounds scary & expensive to me.

Net Net: I'm not terribly brave when it comes to that sort of thing.

There. I'm all emmasculated now. Are you happy?!

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I would think that you have to deal with a lot more people just to do a simple task such as riding at the track. The cost per riding hour is more, but hay one day I'll make it out there to THE TRACK..

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At a track day, the point is to get better. Racing, the point is to prove you _are_ better. I have a lot of fun with the process of getting faster. Yeah, there's a bit of competitiveness, and that little taste of competition is a nice spice to the track day dish, but a track day is about the journey (getting fast). Racing is about the destination (finishing first).

And it doesn't hurt that I'm too slow to be competitive
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At a track day, the point is to get better. Racing, the point is to prove you _are_ better. I have a lot of fun with the process of getting faster. Yeah, there's a bit of competitiveness, and that little taste of competition is a nice spice to the track day dish, but a track day is about the journey (getting fast). Racing is about the destination (finishing first).

And it doesn't hurt that I'm too slow to be competitive
well said.

I'm a pretty competitive guy when it comes to bikes, and racing is something I've been thinking and talking about a lot lately. I've been debating selling my liter bike in favor of a 600 and abandoning street riding entirely for now. The biggest problem for me is making that leap, then additional investment in stuff I'm trying to put off like race tires and tire warmers/generator. I plan on racing, might be next year might be in 5 years. We'll see. in the meantime, I might come up to BHF on Sunday to check out the CCS races.

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*sigh* If I wasn't a crashoholic on the track I'd be out there still...mmmm...crashohol...

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At a track day, the point is to get better. Racing, the point is to prove you _are_ better. I have a lot of fun with the process of getting faster. Yeah, there's a bit of competitiveness, and that little taste of competition is a nice spice to the track day dish, but a track day is about the journey (getting fast). Racing is about the destination (finishing first).

And it doesn't hurt that I'm too slow to be competitive
Sorry but I have to disagree with you here. Yes racing is competitive, but it's not always about "proving" you are better than someone it's about honing different skills, and getting different thrills. Although the T1 dash can be hairy sometimes, there is no feeling like sitting on the grid waiting for the green flag to drop, and making that dash into 1 with people you feel comfortable riding that closely to. Next you gain better control of your bike "IN MY OPINION" racing, the reason for tihs is, if you want to gain a position you have to pay attention to passing areas, and carefully evaluate those opportunities and do it quickly because in sprint races you only have 8 laps to make it happen. Move from there onto the "FUN" of dicing with someone not to prove you are better, but because it is fun riding around someone close to your pace and trying to push just a little more, which happens usually from wanting that spot. It is a different experience, some people like it better, others prefer track days. It is FAR more expensive per hour of track time, but there are things that it offers that track days simply just cannot offer.
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I like the idea of track days because I hate the idea of someone like you stuffing me into a turn. I also hate the idea of making contact with another rider. Finally, the idea of the starting grid...and stampeding into T1...gives me the heebie jeebies.

Net: Racing sounds scary & expensive to me.

Net Net: I'm not terribly brave when it comes to that sort of thing.

There. I'm all emmasculated now. Are you happy?!
Stampeding into T1 gives me the heebie jeebies too.

Racing IS scary and expensive to me too

I'm not terribly brave when it comes to that sort of thing either.

So when are you coming out to race?
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I agree with LBK in that racing isn't necessarily a "proving ground". When I did it it was to improve within my own level, if I was improving I felt good. Certainly if I beat someone that used to beat me I felt better. The trackday groups are very similar to the racing with respect to commoradorie and competition, I would think that they would transition easily. Racing is a bit more of a commitment though, if you miss a track day you don't drop points to the guy who made it.(not that a points race was anything that I was ever involved in )

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Cost is big factor, but more importantly trackdays are better for me because I know ~80% of the riders in my group and trust them to pass and be passed safely.

Any yahoo can race amateur...the licensing is a joke. Getting into an advanced class at Nesba requires somes skills and more importantly good judgement. Id rather ride with the later.
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Kruz, the reason you know 80% of the riders in your group is because you ride with them day in and day out. It's the same thing with racing. You learn to trust those that you race with. It's true that any yahoo can race amateur and that licensing is a joke BUT you gotta start somewhere and unfortunately amateur ranks is the only place.
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I currently do just trackdays, but I can see the benefit of racing. I think I would get pushed to go faster. Racing is definitely in the works for 06' for me.

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I dont see what the big deal is, the same could be said for racers, we'd like to see more of you guys at track days. I have done one race and loved it, however with a child @ home I had to choose and as much as i liked racing, I enjoy more the laid back atmosphere of a track day.
That being said, Id still like to at least get one race in this year

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Jim,
it's not a big deal and I'm not making a big deal of anything. It would be nice to have more people at the races is all as the grids have been light. I don't mind track days but I have a hard time getting motivated during trackdays. Maybe that's a good thing. Who knows.
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