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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 07-22-2005, 04:21 PM Thread Starter
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Question for short riders on the track.....

Hey, this is a question for those who are around 5'4". How do you hang off the bike without it hurting like a mofo???? I went to the track, and I could not hang off for the life of me. Is there a special technique? It's really hard for my stubby legs to grip the bike without it being painful. I know I need to practice, but was wondering if there was a trick or something. Thanks peeps!

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What part hurts. Your outside leg, foot, thigh? There's a couple things you could do depending on where the stress points are. Let me know I def can help you out.

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I'm 5'5" but my track experience thus far is limited to my old Ninja 250R, which, although smaller, is not ergonomically designed for hanging off like a larger bike. There's no good places on the tank to hook legs and arms onto.

Which bike are you talking about, the SV or the F4i?

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You don't need to hangoff the bike any more than a butt cheek and thats only on longer turns, small 90 degree turns you only need to move over small bit.

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You don't need to hangoff the bike any more than a butt cheek and thats only on longer turns, small 90 degree turns you only need to move over small bit.
yeah and what do you know about racing?

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Well, it's the outer leg and the hip/outer thigh area. I don't know how much I need to hang off, but I know definitely I do need to hang off, because I was scraping my peg (actually the feeler). Actually, people that were riding behind me that. The thing is my rearset is moved up 2", and it's on my f4i. Unless there is something else I'm doing wrong? Do you think there is something else I could work on to help not scrape? Thanks again!

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put feeler into garage can

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You don't need to hangoff the bike any more than a butt cheek and thats only on longer turns, small 90 degree turns you only need to move over small bit.

I'm a newbie, could you give more detail? (plz)
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your on a liter bike! don't you know everything? I just have a little 125cc. Next you'll be asking how to ride a wheelie. Lets talk power to weight ratio, dodge viper with driver 3500lbs / 500 hp = 7 pounds per every horse power, R1 with rider 650lbs / 160 hp = 4 pounds per horse power. Thats right and R1 is almost twice as powerful as a dodge viper. I'd start with working on your forearm muscles because you'll need to be able you roll your wrist forward when that beast throws you back. Then take a MSF safety course. Then come on out to a track day where you can learn to control your motorcycle in a controlled environment.

Until then your biggest question should be "how do I survive riding?"! How do you feel right now? are you pissed off? think I'm an a$$hole? If so sell the bike. If your unable to identify when someone is looking out for your best interest then your going to wine up getting hurt if not dead.

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3. always look for escape routes. vehicles will cut you off, move into your lane, pull in front of you EVERY day you ride. ( is there a should to the road? is there debri on it?) Here's a simple idea that most don't think about: if a longer car makes a right hand turn in front of you so you can't get around him on the left or right and there is on coming traffic and there is no shoulder, where do you go? Simply make a right hand turn into where he just pulled out.
4. learn your bike, the slower your going the less pressure you can apply to your brakes. your bike has enough stopping power to flip over at 140 mph. If you grab at the brakes, they'll lock up and throw you off.

Braking is a two step process- you have to pull the brakes slightly to weight the front end then you apply full braking.

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Where is your hip in relation to the tank? I use my whole thigh against the tank. Then I pivot around the tank to get the lean I need. That way your spreading you weight on more of you leg than just one spot. Don't try to drag knee yet work on your form first. Body position is going to be a little different for everybody. You just need to find whats comfortable for you.

For a frame of reference I'm 5'2" on a good day

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Hmmm, I think I was trying to hang off while still trying to grip the side of the tank. I'm gonna try to see how much I can pivot, and try it out with my bike on the stand. Thanks! BTW, did you get your leathers altered? If so, what, where and how much? And thanks again for all the tips.

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Just curious (as a fellow short rider), how do you like your SV650? How do you fit? I'm considering getting one, but don't want to lower a bike, but it looks like that seat could be shaved a bit.
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Yeah you don't want to squeeze the tank. Use your outside leg to support you. Unfortunatly having short legs prohibits us from doing what normal people do. Also you could try to lean more forward on the bike. It felt a little weird for me at first but it gave me more leverage.

I have syed leathers. They are custom fit. They are pretty expensive but they're really good.

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Yeah you don't want to squeeze the tank. Use your outside leg to support you. Unfortunatly having short legs prohibits us from doing what normal people do. Also you could try to lean more forward on the bike. It felt a little weird for me at first but it gave me more leverage.

I have syed leathers. They are custom fit. They are pretty expensive but they're really good.

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Riding is a life time learning experience. Hopefully, that time will be longer than shorter.

Thanks fot the tips! Every bit helps.
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What I've seen alot of shorter guys do to hang off is to lead with your head. Hang your head off into the inside of the turn and your body will go with it. Don't hang off so much that you're hurting yourself but do what feels natural. There are many fast riders that barely hang off. Take a look at some photos of Jason Disalvo. He's a itty bitty little fella and you can get some ideas from his body position.
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His head is WAY over on this one:

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Rather than try to type all of this out, I'll just provide a link to the NESBA forum topic on "Body Position". There's about 5 pages worth of info and tips in there, along with some pictures.

Since they are one of CLSB's sponsors, I would assume it's okay to link to it. I appologize if it's not, and the admins can remove the link.

Body Position topic at NESBA.com

I'm 5'7" and I was able to "hang off" of the Busa at Road America. I'm still learning, but it should be easier now that I have the gsxr-600. This was a pic from my 2nd track day.


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man....you think it hurts to be short, you should try being 6' 1". Your knees are much mor crunched

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hey, atleast you can back your bike out . anyways, thanks again guys. i think i'm getting ok at it. now, i'll just have to test it out at the track.

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man....you think it hurts to be short, you should try being 6' 1". Your knees are much mor crunched

Stop it Brian you're going to make me cry. Tell me what's it like to be able to back your bike up while sitting on it, I've always wondered.

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