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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-05-2005, 05:19 PM Thread Starter
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Post: NESBA Blackhawk 9/4

Got my bump to Intermediate but paid the price during the end of the fourth session. Lowsided in T4.

After talking to Marshall and Fred, we came to the conclusion that because I didn't scrub my new tires in properly, my trail-braking, line choice on to the bump in T4, and improper suspension setup for my weight with gear on caused my front end to wash out. Basically, I overloaded the forks due to entry speed braking and when I hit the bump at full lean, the front tire couldn't hold on.

I'm fine though. Slid on my back a bit and then popped on to my left side for the rest of the ride. Helmet never touched the ground. My bike on the other hand slid on the right side and then flipped over the front end on to the left. Not sure what its future is going to be.

Kim did great out there and I am very proud of her. Especially for staying focused after my crash and improving with every lap.

I did learn a lot and appreciate all the advice Marshall and Fred gave me both on and off the track. I will be back!


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Bump in turn 4? What bump? Ive never noticed a bump. Unless you mean the curbing. But your not supposed to ride on that part of the track. Now, I have jumped off the curbing on the exit of turn 4, which is pretty interesting, but I havent felt any bump in 4. In 2, definately, but the only other ripples I know of at Blackhawk are way on the inside of the carousel.

Anyways, congrats on the bump, sorry about your get off.
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Glad to hear you're alright. I know from experience that you are an awesome rider. You obviously pushed yourself to the extreme, but now you know a little more of your limits.

I am also glad to hear that Kim is gaining confidence. She is a good rider and deserves the praise you are sending forth to her.

I am looking forward to riding with you and Kim again, soon.
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Bump in turn 4? What bump? Ive never noticed a bump. Unless you mean the curbing. But your not supposed to ride on that part of the track. Now, I have jumped off the curbing on the exit of turn 4, which is pretty interesting, but I havent felt any bump in 4. In 2, definately, but the only other ripples I know of at Blackhawk are way on the inside of the carousel.

Anyways, congrats on the bump, sorry about your get off.
I guess I shouldn't call it that, I was using Fred's words to describe it. The track surface dips slightly next to the curbing in T4. I didn't ride on the curbing either, just close to it as this is where I was shown the proper race line is through that part. I was trying to carry more speed through all the turns that lap til I bit it. I also forgot to mention that I weigh 263lbs, then add 20-30lbs of gear, you do the math. Too much load under heavy braking on stock fork springs. Anyway, the crash is ultimately my fault, I chose to go faster, rode through the turn the way I thought I should, and ended up with that result. Lessons learned.

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Glad to hear you're alright Nolan and the pics are looking good!!
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Had a fantastic morning getting warmed up and learning the track - Blackhawk is really fun to ride!!

I was so excited when Nolan came back after the 3rd session and said he got bumped to "I". After lunch, I watched about 4 laps from the cornerworker's station at T3 and saw him rock that turn and was so proud Then I hopped on the fiddy and headed back to our pit to get geared up for my next session.

Saw the red flag come out a couple of minutes later and thought, "I hope that's not Nolan" but he had looked so good that I wasn't really worried. I pulled out of our pit just as our pit neighbor (never caught his name) came up and said that he saw a silver bike, #77 being pushed off track.

At that point I almost threw up, becuse he didn't say anything about the rider and I didn't know if Nolan was hurt or not. Then I saw Fred riding Nolan's bike toward me and Nolan pulled in a few seconds later on Fred's pit bike.

Needless to say, I missed my next session and seriously considered not going out for the rest of the day. But since Nolan wasn't hurt, I didn't want the day to be a total loss for both of us. So I got my head back together and went back out - did the last 3 sessions.

My tires are more shredded than they've ever been and I learned something new every lap. Still have lots to learn, but getting better!!

Here's one of the pics that I like!! Pic

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Good to hear you are okay Nolan.
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I have observed a good bump in turn four. I hit it when I'm about two thirds done with the turn. My suspension takes a good hit right there. I'm usually on maintenance throttle there, so the bump does not upset the bike. It just pops my butt up on the seat, then it's over.

I can see it contributing to an accident if enough other things are going wrong right at that moment.
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Glad you hear everyone had a good time!!

Nolan, do you mean turn 3a? the tight right? there is a bump at the exit there.

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Nolan you were rocking as Kim was to. You guys Rock. Glad your OK

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Glad you hear everyone had a good time!!

Nolan, do you mean turn 3a? the tight right? there is a bump at the exit there.

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Yep, the tight right after the carousel and the kink with the 2 curbs. I guess I should have looked at the map first. Why wouldn't that be considered turn 4? Anyway, I hope that clears the location up. Thanks Jeff!

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glad to hear you're ok nolan, and congrats on the bump.

i think i was pitted sort of near you guys (or guy/gal ). i had the blue r6 and black ford ranger by turn 4. i believe i remember seeing you at autobahn last month a

i had fun, learned alot worked on my body position. my inner thighs, calves, quads, lower back and throttle hand/forearm or sore!!
got comfortable with draggin a knee. it kind of scared me at first but now i looking for that sound and feeling so i can tell how far i an leaned over.

2 different cr's complemented my body position, lines, smoothness, and courteous passing. said i had a good foundation for going faster. i'm not sure if i should have asked for a bump at that point.... eh, i'm sure they would just ask you, though i wonder if maybe they are looking for you to speak up about it...oh well. can't wait till autobahn!!

oh, my friend shot a little footage of me, is there a way to post it somehow?
its about 4 mb. he sorted it by turn, i wish he was there for the 2nd day though, i was dragging my knee alot. (well alot for me!! )
that's another good thing about blackhawk, good spectator track!
autobahn sucks for that.
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Congrats Kim on a good day
Congrats Nolan on the bump to I

Sorry to hear about the crash, but good to see another day!!

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Yep, the tight right after the carousel and the kink with the 2 curbs. I guess I should have looked at the map first. Why wouldn't that be considered turn 4? Anyway, I hope that clears the location up. Thanks Jeff!

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Reason for the turn being called 3A is years ago they put the kink in to slow cars down going into 4. You used to come out of the carousel and head straight to 4. If you alk out to the 3A corner station, you'll see the small section of the old track.
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i'm not sure if i should have asked for a bump at that point.... eh, i'm sure they would just ask you, though i wonder if maybe they are looking for you to speak up about it...oh well. can't wait till autobahn!!
Good to hear you're doing well out there. I've heard some people ask to get bumped up and then link up with a CR for a session. Although I admit hoping to get bumped this trackday, I felt that if I deserved it, a cr would notice and talk to me afterwards. The only thing I did to move things along was grid first in the faster lane. Then I stayed on the CR paying particular attention to doing all the right things as smoothly as I could. Throughout the whole session we alternated who would lead. I ran my fastest lap during that session: 1:27.47. The best I could do in intermediate was 1:27.99 and then I crashed. With some luck, I hope to hit Autobahn before the end of the season.

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....My bike on the other hand slid on the right side and then flipped over the front end on to the left. Not sure what its future is going to be....

we can rebuild it, we have the technology!!!



nice work on the bump to I.

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Nolan.....congrats on the bump and great attitude. Sorry about the crash. If I can help with the repairs let me know.
And Kim.....you looked great out there. Smooth and relaxed.

Sorry if I held anyone up, my head wasn't in the game with all the other stuff going on. That last session on Saturday was particularly difficult, as I wore Shannon's old leathers in preparation for the parade lap that followed. Got about 5 good laps and then lost concentration thinking too much about what came next.
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Nolan.....congrats on the bump and great attitude. Sorry about the crash. If I can help with the repairs let me know.
And Kim.....you looked great out there. Smooth and relaxed.

Sorry if I held anyone up, my head wasn't in the game with all the other stuff going on. That last session on Saturday was particularly difficult, as I wore Shannon's old leathers in preparation for the parade lap that followed. Got about 5 good laps and then lost concentration thinking too much about what came next.
The mind is a powerful tool, or a formidible foe. Dont blame ya for feeling that way.
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Looking good out there Nolan!!! Congrats on the bump. Sorry to hear about the get off, but it seems you know what happened and learned from it. Time to get some stiffer fronts. The stock front end on my 02 gsxr1000 is garbage. I'm bottoming out in that dip and i'm only 165lbs. Suspension is definitly going to be my next investment on the bike.

Congrats again!

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Congrats on the bump Nolan! Glad you had fun out there Kim. Butch - you're still slow!

To those that were there for the parade lap - I want to say thank you. That was a much more powerful and moving experience than I had anticipated. A fitting sendoff for sure. Well done NESBA, CLSB, and BHF.

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