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post #1 of 35 (permalink) Old 09-14-2005, 10:31 PM Thread Starter
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Sep 5 STT Autobahn highside

I shot this video last week at Joliet, thought Id share this with everyone. This was in the Intermediate group, 2nd session after lunch. The guy ended up being perfectly fine.

http://home.comcast.net/~wmalinowicz..._5_05_1500.ASF

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ouch! glad he's ok.

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Damn, that was nasty looking.

I wonder if you know your rear end is slipping out that far if you just punch it will you low side instead? I'm sure it is easy for me to say in theory, but just wondering if this is possible.
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Damn, that was nasty looking.

I wonder if you know your rear end is slipping out that far if you just punch it will you low side instead? I'm sure it is easy for me to say in theory, but just wondering if this is possible.
I'm sure it's possible but you can also turn a normal highside into an ultra fucking highside and fuck some shit up by doing that too if the bike decides that it don't like you no more. In reality, it happens so fast that you barely have time to react to it.
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I'm sure it's possible but you can also turn a normal highside into an ultra fucking highside and fuck some shit up by doing that too if the bike decides that it don't like you no more. In reality, it happens so fast that you barely have time to react to it.
Yeah, and fortunately for me my reaction time is so slow that whenever I start sliding, I don't have time to react at all and it's over by the time I do, so just by me being a slug, I ride out most of my slides

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Damn!

When you head for the grass are you completely off the brakes, then just use rear to slow down? Or a combo?

What the proper precedure to surviving a 'soil sample'?

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Damn!

When you head for the grass are you completely off the brakes, then just use rear to slow down? Or a combo?

What the proper precedure to surviving a 'soil sample'?
Front brakes in the grass is instant crash. Dry grass, wet grass, if your front tire stops moving your ass is down.

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I'm sure it's possible but you can also turn a normal highside into an ultra fucking highside and fuck some shit up by doing that too if the bike decides that it don't like you no more. In reality, it happens so fast that you barely have time to react to it.
That's what I figured, but I wasn't sure if you could make it better.
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Good reactiontime NeedSpeed. Glad the guy was ok.

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Damn, that was nasty looking.

I wonder if you know your rear end is slipping out that far if you just punch it will you low side instead? I'm sure it is easy for me to say in theory, but just wondering if this is possible.
I have ZERO track experience, so I aint claiming to know anything, just from experience.

I have near highsided twice on the street, once on sheridan, once cutting off of ogden onto hill ave in aurora.

Both times, I kept my feet on the pegs, and kept rolling on the throttle and the bike came back in underneath me.......it is as unnatural as hell, but worked for me both times.

On sheridan, my ass end was at like 8 oclock and I almost soiled myself, the Hill avenue event wasnt as severe.

I think it would have been much worse had I cut the throttle...........

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I shot this video last week at Joliet, thought Id share this with everyone. This was in the Intermediate group, 2nd session after lunch. The guy ended up being perfectly fine.

http://home.comcast.net/~wmalinowicz..._5_05_1500.ASF

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NeedSpeed,

I was there sept 5th running in the same group as you.. I was on the orange zx6r in the blue leathers... Anyway I could take a look at some of your other videos? Oddly enough I think I was near you on track when that guy highsided...

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I was in the same group riding a silver daytona 600/black leathers, I remember seeing the guy just after he went down. I was actually trying NOT to look!

Glad to hear he was ok. It looked ugly!!!
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It happened so quick, I was just trying to find the safest way around the bike and rider. It seemed so surreal at the time seeing a 400+ lb bike tumbling in the air like that.

Did you guys notice the black marks he was leaving on a couple of the turns before the crash?

Greg, this might be you here: Second session in the a.m.
http://home.comcast.net/~wmalinowicz...s/CSB_greg.ASF

Pete, if I see your bike Ill post another link.


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gosh darnit, what fucken codecs am i missing that i cant see these videos?



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If you are using Windows Media Player, just click on "web help" and it will carrying through a couple of links to download the codec.

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Classic case of being impatient.

You can clearly see he was focused on trying to get past that group of riders in front of him and got on the gas BEFORE getting the bike picked back up on the meat of the rear tire. It happened so quick that he never even let go of the handlebars, so the bike slammed him into the ground as it went over.

As a control rider, I tell the guys running in Beginner and especially in Intermediate that as they get faster they need to start working on "setting up" passes. The Intermediate group is the best place to develop this skill. Once you get to Advanced, everyone rides at a faster pace and you HAVE TO setup passes.

He should have either used his faster corner speed to swing right by them on that straight or he should have squared off that corner and late apexed the curve to get the bike picked up sooner and get on the drive earlier.

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Question about video: What recording set-up were you using to film that?

I had a problem with that corner too cuz I didn't square it off. Ended up running off for a bit along the straight and kept going, just like the guy with the camera.

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It happened so quick, I was just trying to find the safest way around the bike and rider. It seemed so surreal at the time seeing a 400+ lb bike tumbling in the air like that.

Did you guys notice the black marks he was leaving on a couple of the turns before the crash?

Greg, this might be you here: Second session in the a.m.
http://home.comcast.net/~wmalinowicz...s/CSB_greg.ASF

Pete, if I see your bike Ill post another link.


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Hey, yeah that was me!

Thanks.. That was actually my first ride of the day as we got to the track late...

I need to wake up earlier on track days.. missing the first session sucks.. everyone else is out there all warmed up and.. you just suck

But thanks.. I had no idea my form was that bad... I need to get more videos like that.. You never really realize how you look until you see the video

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gosh darnit, what fucken codecs am i missing that i cant see these videos?
I cant either Tag 45 codec required
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Just loaded the codec from microsoft and its called Sharp something. Looks like the bike is in a bad shape. Im glad the dude is OK also, he flipped like a pancake out there
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http://www.free-codecs.com/Sharp_G72...c_download.htm

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Front brakes in the grass is instant crash. Dry grass, wet grass, if your front tire stops moving your ass is down.

Damn it, I wish I would have know this about 3 weeks ago! I went off road about 10mph, really wet grass, and sure enough slightly on the front and I dumped her. (just left front turn signal broke. and now my cluch lever is ok but real loose.) I don't know how to tighten it.

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There are two adjustments , at the lever and at the other end of the clutch cable. Or did you bent the lever?
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There are two adjustments , at the lever and at the other end of the clutch cable. Or did you bent the lever?

naw the lever is deff not bent. or maybe it is. (shit I dont know!) it's loose pushing it forward. (there's play moving it both forward and back.) ((not up and down)) and me being a nervous ass, i dont want to do any adjusting without knowing exactly what the heck im doing! my luck i'll adjust it the wrong way and as Im doing 80 or whatever my clutch cable snaps or something!

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anyone have time to take a quick look?

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My cable snapped on me once from being too old I guess. The play in the lever should be about the thickness of a nickel 5 cents that is
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My cable snapped on me once from being too old I guess. The play in the lever should be about the thickness of a nickel 5 cents that is

oh shit, mine is way more than that now.

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HEY thanks fast man now i can see it.

YEP leaned over to far before giving it that much gas will take your ass out.

glad he is ok.



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YEP leaned over to far before giving it that much gas will take your ass out.
OK, so while we're on the topic, I noticed down at Putnam that I was rolling on the gas way early into a couple of turns (turn one, especially). Not snapping it on, but I think going beyond just picking up the chain slack. I didn't feel any bad effects from this. In fact, I think it had a stabilizing effect, but I'm not entirely sure.

Does this mean I was doing the right thing out there? Or, was I saved from a wreck by a combination of wide powerband and a lack of assertiveness on the throttle?

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