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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 11-15-2002, 09:27 AM Thread Starter
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Got my dates lined up for 2003 pretty much, and got the info on the track itself.

They are grinding it right now. Pavement will go down next week. There were five layers of pavement that they were grinding up.

The pit road will be extended 300 to 400 feet back toward turn seven (the last corner).

They invited me down to check it out. I might do that next weekend.

The new pavement should be much more durable. Probably a bit more abrasive. I thought that might be a good thing as Blackhawk's surface has always been a little slick in cooler weather; should be grippier in the spring and fall.

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The news just gets better and better!

I wonder how much this will affect lap times?

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That's what I'm wondering, too.

The track will not be any wider. So, how fast you can go is related to lean angle and speed. If there are fewer bumps, a slower rider might be able to feel more comfortable leaning it over. Getting a rougher track set up will not be so important.

So, will it effect lap times? I've done a 13 myself. I thought that I could have gone faster. So, I'm sure that I can expect a half second or so, given the same conditions.

The question is, will my new bike allow me to go a bit faster, easier, which I think. I'm hoping to just do 13's every lap.

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That's what I'm wondering, too.
I'm hoping to just do 13's every lap.
Well, you wont be when you're following me!

I'm actually excited, I hope it's smooth and sticky!
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One of my problems was always confidence in consitently hitting my entry points and holding my line. I've always been a little afraid ot really charge into the turns... I'm afraid to sldie the frontend on entry wiht all of those bumps. At Putnam for example I ould very confidently trail the brakes and relly go into most of the turns too fast and scrub off speed with the tires. I think a better surface will go a long way for me at BHF.

I can;t wait!!!
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It does just keep getting better and better doesn't it....BHF could be such a sweet track....plus it's only an hour away....
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It should be pretty nice. Lots of improvments over many years.

As for sliding the front, I seldom ever to that. I really prefer to keep the bike hooked up and moving forward as much as possible.

I've got my fast time's on video tape, on bike, somewhere. No sliding around. Chattering around (Suzuki problem), but other than that, it was a nice easy ride.

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sounds great. thanks for the update Supa D

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I'm so excited!!!!

I can't wait until Spring I was going to do every BHF day anyway, just like this year, but now that it will be a brand new surface, it will be such a treat.
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uhhh yep it's gonna be cool.

I really see it helping out the back of the pack more than the really fast guys. I don't see Larry Denning running 1:09s now that the track has been repaved. But I do see the guys going mid high 20s going way faster.

I have bumped my own goals too for next year at BHF! I can't wait it's gonna be lots of fun.

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Are the back of the pack guys really doing mid to high twenties. That's my range....hmmm
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Well...mid 20s should put you up toward the mid front of the pack. Up until the last two race weekends at BHF Andy was winning going 20s (maybe a 19) 21s. The last two weekends the pace picked up a bit. Andy and I were going 16s ?? The top 5 places seemed to be running 18/19s (a few were going 17s tho)
I guess everyone was just getting used to the track.
Most of the fast Amateurs are moving up to expert this year though.

As long as you can just hold your line you'll be just fine racing next year. I'll help you out any way that I can and I know that Dave Rosno (Super Dave) will too. He's the man!!
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Every year you get a new group of guys that move to the front in the amateur stuff. I think the poor weather hampered good times early in the year. 18's and 19's should be a reasonable norm in the front of an amateur race at Blackhawk. So, if you're doing 1:28's, you'll probably get lapped in a short race. If you can get out and to that off the start.

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Thanks guys....I'm gonna take one more year of trackdays and schools before I make the plunge
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Don't necessarily talk yourself out of racing because of track day lap times. I just can't do the lap times on my school day that I do on race day. Years ago I could, when I did AMA pro stuff. Then you would train yourself to just be on kill. Now, well, I'm older, I'm not looking for a factory ride, etc.

Anyway, the excitement of "racing" is a special feeling where time stands still, things happen slowly. It's fun and frustrating all in the same boat.

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And just a track day will not effectively change what you're doing. If it did, then Honda would have Rossi just riding around a track all day long. You need to make effective changes to the bike and learn things. It's not easy, but, again, sometimes you've got to just do those things under pressure on a race weekend where you wouldn't at a track day.

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Well I will certainly seek your advice after the first few school/trackdays this year. I have alot to work on. I'm just begiining to learn how to set my bike up. It's completely stock and probably needs some suspension work since I'm a bigger guy on a stock 600. I'll be sure to introduce myself. Were you at Nesba's Putnam day?
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No, wasn't there.

Really don't do NESBA unless someone pays for my services. Too much to tear up in tires, etc.

As for suspension, I'd say do it. That's always first on my list. When the new bike arrives in January, the forks will go out and a new shock will be installed. I have to have bodywork, but and exhaust system and all the other stuff, that comes later....

I can point you toward some of the right people when you're ready.

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Have you picked out your suspension components yet?
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The front I'll have done by the Midwest Axxion center, Baker Race Gear. He's one of my instructors too, so that works out.

Rear shock? Not sure yet. We'll see what the sponsorship hunt brings up first. But the over the past four seasons, I've had Penske shocks on the rear.

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Are Axxion and Traxxion the same?
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Traxxion Dynamics was formed by Max McAllister. Now, he will concentrate on development of new product, etc., and the regional Axxion Centers will do the service work and local support. There will be about six to eight of them nation wide.

It won't be like the Race Tech centers where you pay them a $1000 and go to a seminar. That doesn't work. You can't imagine all the Race Tech stuff that I've tried to tune that has been worse than stock.

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Having a new surface will definetly help the slower guys go faster just because it is smoother , the fast guys will go a little bit faster but not a whole lot. The added traction of a new surface will allow better drives out of the corner but by the track design you still will only be able to go so fast thru a given turn. Then the other problem is how long before the cars tear it up and the bumps start to reappear? I just think it is wonderful that they are finally repaving!
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another thing too about black hawks, they DONT bother to clean the track up, if the next day it is motorcycles on the track, when we rented it out, me and some of the guy the night before (before it got dark)
had to sweep the whole track, probably pushed about 80 pounds of chunked rubber off the track and picked up maybe 14 pounds of steel peices, bolts,tire weights, engine mount, etc..
also had to clean up some oil spills




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another thing too about black hawks, they DONT bother to clean the track up, if the next day it is motorcycles on the track, when we rented it out, me and some of the guy the night before (before it got dark)
had to sweep the whole track, probably pushed about 80 pounds of chunked rubber off the track and picked up maybe 14 pounds of steel peices, bolts,tire weights, engine mount, etc..
also had to clean up some oil spills

Cant blame the track owners/mgt for that Ken. Track debris clean up is the responsibility of the orginazation that was using it, in our case SCCA's track crew should had cleaned it. Beleive me I brought this up at the next CCS races with some head honchos. They said that the SCCA corners was supposed to clean the oil up before they left. The rubber chunks really arent that much of a deal. Generally its always good to check the track before you run it anyways. Crews do miss stuff.

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Only once in four years did we have a problem with the track. A car team rented the track. Their car popped and they left some oil residue on the pit road. Other than that, Blackhawk has been very good for me.

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