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This all started out as me looking for a tach for my bike,
I found Mychron has a tach /laptimer combo.

4&6 Jim mentioned Data Acquisition awhile ago, and I saw that the Mychron had some of this stuff as well.

I gave AIMsports a call and I asked him about track mapping, they recommended The Mychron 3 Gold Moto
On top of the gazillion other things it can do, It will generate track maps if you pick up the gyro accessory.
This seems awesome.
You do some laps and pick a segment and try some different things, then compare the maps, Or let a faster rider ride your bike and compare maps and see where you can pick up time.

Looks like pretty cool configurable gadget.

What do you guys think ?

http://www.aimsports.com/products/mo.../features.html

Wide display with backlight, RPM graphical and numerical view
Configurable RPM scaling, Lap / Split times, Engaged gear number
10 shift lights and 4 alarm lights for max/min alarm (all configurable)
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RPM digital input, 1 Speed input and 5 analog inputs
12 Volt external power, Track Mapping with optional gyro.

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kind of spendy for the track day novice. if you bin the bike that is one pricey accessory to crunch!!

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agreed, Very spendy, I can't afford one, and probably not for a novice.
but a true no bs way of measuring your riding sessions and comparing them to previous ones...

I want one when I grow up

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I don't do that much riding for 700.00. I'll just ride the track and have fun with my 175.00 laptimer.

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I was actually looking at that same unit a week or so ago. Again, a little pricey for just a track day. However, if you are really looking to compare and analyze how you can improve, it is a great way to go.

The main reason I steered away from it was the fact that as I age.. I can't friggin see... I have to wear glasses to read. All I really want to see when I am on track is the RPMs. If I can, Lap times would be nice, but don't have to have them out there.

Anyhow, cool toy. If anyone rides with one next year, I'd love to see how it works.

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Actually if you divide the cost of the unit by the number of trackays you do over a year or 2 it isn't that expensive. it will help you dramatically.
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Maybe we should all buy into one and share the cost? You use it one day and I'll use it the next.

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Actually if you divide the cost of the unit by the number of trackays you do over a year or 2 it isn't that expensive. it will help you dramatically.
Jim,
do you have an example of the track maps this thing generates? What components are included? RPM? Gear? Throttle? Lean angle? HP? Tq?

Any help appreciated.

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Maybe we should all buy into one and share the cost? You use it one day and I'll use it the next.
My understanding is that it integrates directly into the bike electronics. I don't think that it just goes from one bike to another like a lap timer does it?

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My understanding is that it integrates directly into the bike electronics. I don't think that it just goes from one bike to another like a lap timer does it?
They do have "plug & play" for some models. It plugs directly into ECU and reads all the info from there
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Hmmm. My OEM Gauges are smashed... Just might have to upgrade....

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It does just plug into the ECU, but wouldn't tha mean that it is bike specific, or needs to be programmed to a specific bike? And yes Ron, you got good eyes... get one! I'll just borrow your bike to see how I am doin'

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The RPM's only go to 8K? What gives?

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The RPM's only go to 8K? What gives?
can you set it to not register till you hit 4k? 4-12k would be good.

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GPS integrated mapping and logging
http://www.g2extreme.com/default.cfm Lots of sensor inputs for those who want wheel speed differential and brake pressures and so on $$$ How much do you want to know? $


Several Porsche friends are playing with the DL1
http://www.race-technology.com/WebPa...1/DL1Home.html
Nice but they whack you pretty good $$$ for the full display.


This one looks pretty decent to me, the software seems user friendly and for not too many$$
http://www.traqmate.com/products.php...oductsBody.inc

They are working on video integration too. Prolly a bit over the top but it sure looks cool.
www.trackvision.net/videos/TraqMateDemo.wmv

It would be very cool to develope a library of tracks and fast laps to A/B your performance with.

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Last I checked, CR feedback was free. Follow Marshall or Alan for a couple laps and you'll immediately know where you're slow!

Is it fuggin February yet?!?!?!

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Last I checked, CR feedback was free. Follow Marshall or Alan for a couple laps and you'll immediately know where you're slow!

Is it fuggin February yet?!?!?!
True dat

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Last I checked, CR feedback was free. Follow Marshall or Alan for a couple laps and you'll immediately know where you're slow!

Is it fuggin February yet?!?!?!

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Last I checked, CR feedback was free. Follow Marshall or Alan for a couple laps and you'll immediately know where you're slow!

Is it fuggin February yet?!?!?!
No doubt I think that you definately still need stuff like that.
but you aren't going to have a CR with you every lap.

I think it has its place, not to replace what you have but to go along with it.
It takes some of the human interpretation out of what you are doing...or "your perception" out of what you are doing.... like maybe you think you are braking later, and maybe you are, but getting on them harder and end up going through the turn slower. or you are coasting things like that.. to actually be able to review and see a defined measurable difference. I think would be helpful.

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HDTony tested this on his Harley last season and it did improve his laptimes to the local tavern




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That's one cool piece of gear but, all the really fast guys don't get into that stuff until they reach the pro circuit if then. I'd rather have data acquisition on my suspension but, maybe that's incorrect thinking too.

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Without good data acquisition on your suspension via learning how to listen to the bike with your hands and arms and feet and butt, you will wind up on your head ... then somebody else will be getting good data acquisition on your various body parts through high tech tools like X-Rays and M.R.I.'s , etc.

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HDTony tested this on his Harley last season and it did improve his laptimes to the local tavern
How can you argue with results like that.

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Without good data acquisition on your suspension via learning how to listen to the bike with your hands and arms and feet and butt, you will wind up on your head ... then somebody else will be getting good data acquisition on your various body parts through high tech tools like X-Rays and M.R.I.'s , etc.

I learned this the hard way.
Yeah,, I could probably use some data aquisition on my noggin as well

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It looks like the base price only covers the dash itself, and any sensors would be additional. I didn't see the cost for the aux sensors, but I'm guessing that it's one of those things that if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

In any case: what other inputs do you think would be useful? I can think of suspension travel (front and rear), brake pressure (front and rear), and gear position offhand, assuming you've got lean angle covered with the gyro.

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It looks like the base price only covers the dash itself, and any sensors would be additional. I didn't see the cost for the aux sensors, but I'm guessing that it's one of those things that if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

In any case: what other inputs do you think would be useful? I can think of suspension travel (front and rear), brake pressure (front and rear), and gear position offhand, assuming you've got lean angle covered with the gyro.

you get 1 temp sensor of your choice and the gyro lists for 199

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Buy the AIM plug in play for your bike. Also get the gyro. This is all you will need at first. Most of you will not need any brake pressure or suspension sensors right away. The plug in play will give you track maps , throttle position,laptimes , shift light , gear position. Just those items will help you to improve dramatically.
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