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Penske vs Ohlins?

Which suspension do you like best and why?

I am looking at the .25 front end and also the rear shock for a 2005 GSXR 1000.

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LOL.. just get a Pogo stick Ron, you don't need a good suspension. Stock is perfect for you specifically.

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From what I have read, Ohlins internals for the forks, and the high end Penske shock is slightly better for the rear, by opinion only. Something about better low & high speed compression adjustment.

I have all Ohlins suspension on my bike and don't really know how to use/adjust it. I understand some of it, but there are so many adjustments it's confusing.

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I too have ohlins on my rs250... I really suck so I can not comment on their performance based upon my riding. I get the sense that the prevailing line of thought is the Penske tripple adj is the ticket for everyone short of having ohlins support. Either should be capable of much more than most of us.

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Penske shocks are supposed to be the best out of the box shock. But, if you can get a deal on ebay, take it. Any good shock can be revalved and set up to your needs.

As for forks, you'd be better - spend less money, with compression and rebound work without spending big bucks on cartridges. But, if you can buy the cartridges here are your choices Ohlins, K-Tech, Traxxion Dynamics, and GP Suspension. All of these cartridges are available stateside.

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I'd discuss this with whoever you plan purchasing from. Suspension is tricky to say the least. For the front end, I'd just change the internals with stiffer springs, rear I'd go with whatever brand your suspension guru suggests.

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I've had good luck with the Penske's, just picked up an Ohlins from ebay. Once gone over and properly sprung, we'll see how it stacks up.

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I have Ohlins on my 750 that I'm selling and love it. The new bike I'm leaning towards a Ohlins again but may try a penske.

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Check out the stuff Dan Kyle, of Kyle USA, posted on the WERA board about cartridges.

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If you are doing an Ohlins 25mil kit in the front, why would you go with anything other than Ohlins in the rear? I am sure they work great together.
I would go with ohlins all around, but that is just my thought.
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Not to be rude , but there isn't a track day guy out there that needs a 25mil cartridge kit.
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Not to be rude , but there isn't a track day guy out there that needs a 25mil cartridge kit.
Just curious about that... the difference between the 20mm and 25mm is feel isn't it? What makes you think that there isn't a track day out there that couldn't hold his own with the guys on the circuit using 25mm?

Just because someone isn't racing, doesn't mean that they can't or shouldn't have the best. Or, just becasue they are starting on track days, doesn't mean that they won't become racers.

Personally, I think a better response would have been to explain perhaps why a lowly 'track day" rider doesn't need to spend the extra money on the 25s. If you could help educate me (perhaps others as well) I know that I would certainly appreciate it.

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Just curious about that... the difference between the 20mm and 25mm is feel isn't it? What makes you think that there isn't a track day out there that couldn't hold his own with the guys on the circuit using 25mm?

Just because someone isn't racing, doesn't mean that they can't or shouldn't have the best. Or, just becasue they are starting on track days, doesn't mean that they won't become racers.

Personally, I think a better response would have been to explain perhaps why a lowly 'track day" rider doesn't need to spend the extra money on the 25s. If you could help educate me (perhaps others as well) I know that I would certainly appreciate it.

And help would be enlightening.

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most track day guys are there having fun and enjoying the day , your stock front end with whatever valves even restacking the stock ones set up properly will work perfectly for you . I am not saying you shouldn't spend your money on them but why waste it when it will not help you go any faster in lap times. Inever said a lowly track day rider so keep the attitude to yourself!Most people here are always looking at a price they can afford, just trying to help you out.
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OK so what if I'm a "track day guy" that runs about 4-5 seconds off the track record? Is that still too slow to take advantage of the 25 mm kit? I'm not being an ass, I'm just asking what, in your opinion, ARE the advantages to this upgrade, and who DOES need them?
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OK so what if I'm a "track day guy" that runs about 4-5 seconds off the track record? Is that still too slow to take advantage of the 25 mm kit? I'm not being an ass, I'm just asking what, in your opinion, ARE the advantages to this upgrade, and who DOES need them?
Fair question! Lets assume you can do 13's at Blackhawk. Thats pretty good.
The 25mil kit will maybe help you a tiny little bit to run at that pace. If your doing high 9's they wouldhelp maybe a little more. Mark juge holds the track record , i believe he uses traxxion 20 mil cartridges. Brian hall does low 10's he uses K-tech valves in his stock cartridges. Andy fuerinstaller does low 10's he uses traxxion, dan ortega uses ohlins 25 mil cartridges i believe. Shawn conrad uses stock forks with heavier oil , yes he does 10's. Dan Doty i think uses race tech he does 10's Drucker can tell you for sure. The pattern is that the 20mil stuff works great!
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Fair question! Lets assume you can do 13's at Blackhawk. Thats pretty good.
The 25mil kit will maybe help you a tiny little bit to run at that pace. If your doing high 9's they wouldhelp maybe a little more. Mark juge holds the track record , i believe he uses traxxion 20 mil cartridges. Brian hall does low 10's he uses K-tech valves in his stock cartridges. Andy fuerinstaller does low 10's he uses traxxion, dan ortega uses ohlins 25 mil cartridges i believe. Shawn conrad uses stock forks with heavier oil , yes he does 10's. Dan Doty i think uses race tech he does 10's Drucker can tell you for sure. The pattern is that the 20mil stuff works great!
20 million dollars better work great. If I couldn't get by on that I'd have to look for new planet.

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most track day guys are there having fun and enjoying the day , your stock front end with whatever valves even restacking the stock ones set up properly will work perfectly for you . I am not saying you shouldn't spend your money on them but why waste it when it will not help you go any faster in lap times. Inever said a lowly track day rider so keep the attitude to yourself!Most people here are always looking at a price they can afford, just trying to help you out.
Attitude?! I asked a fair question, and reworded it a few times prior to posting so not to show any attitude. However, now I have one.

Edit: remaining three paragaphs deleted after rewriting them three times. (My attitude was showing far too clearly)

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I must have misunderstood you then , I was just talking about lowly track day rider . i never refered to anyone as that.
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OK so what if I'm a "track day guy" that runs about 4-5 seconds off the track record?
Really? 13's, Really?!


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Fair question! Lets assume you can do 13's at Blackhawk. Thats pretty good.
The 25mil kit will maybe help you a tiny little bit to run at that pace. If your doing high 9's they wouldhelp maybe a little more. Mark Junge holds the track record , i believe he uses traxxion 20 mil cartridges. Brian hall does low 10's he uses K-tech valves in his stock cartridges. Andy Fuerinstaller does low 10's he uses traxxion, dan ortega uses ohlins 25 mil cartridges i believe. Shawn conrad uses stock forks with heavier oil , yes he does 10's. Dan Doty i think uses race tech he does 10's Drucker can tell you for sure. The pattern is that the 20mil stuff works great!
"13's at Blackhawk are pretty good" That's great! Go race CCS or WERA and have the majority of your season paid for. Listen (and learn) from the pro's and see what the fast kids are using. Nuff said. . .


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Nice to see the bench racing season in full swing.

I think when 4&6 begins a post with "not to be rude" you all should keep your huge wangs in check and relax a little. It's not like they don't have our best interest in mind when they make suggestions.

For instance, I once asked if an RC211V would help me shave a few seconds off my 2min laptimes at BHF. Their answer?

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So see? The system works.

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TO add to a comment Kim made......

THe "old" 750 had Ohlins and I deem it about equal ( once adjusted ) to the "new" 750 with a Penske Triple on the back.... really really close.

Difference, the Ohlins had to be re-sprung and fiddled with to get it right.
THe Penske ( From Lindeman ) was right out of the box.


The "old" fork have Ohlins springs and stack, otherwise stock and were good.

The Lindeman forks on the "new" bike are better ( with springs and a stack adjustment) than the Ohlins forks on the "old" bike.

Amazing what a good tuner can do with "stock" forks.

The high-dollar stuff is marginally better but the law of diminishing returns applies heavily here... spend the extra dash and go to Spencer.

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Just for the record, it is not about shaving seconds...it is about getting the best feel I can get from the front end. I like to run hard, but I like to do it as safely as possible.

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Just for the record, it is not about shaving seconds...it is about getting the best feel I can get from the front end. I like to run hard, but I like to do it as safely as possible.
Good Point Ron!
it's just any of the options we give you the same feel when installed and adjusted properly. As an example Larry Denning liked the K tech 20mm valved forks better at Blackhawk versus the Ohlins 25 mil cartridges. The Ohlins were way to vague and had no feeling . Both on his 636 and R1.The point i was trying to make is that sometimes the most expensive option isn't always the best solution. jim
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Oh , not to change the subject , on a gsxr1000 the money would be better spent on a yosh em pro ecu. you can control so many functons that will make the bike more rideable. Jim
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Cool, thanks for the input Jim!

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"13's at Blackhawk are pretty good" That's great! Go race CCS or WERA and have the majority of your season paid for. Listen (and learn) from the pro's and see what the fast kids are using. Nuff said. . .
For the record, I don't run THAT fast at BHF, but I fully expect to by the end of the season I was just using that as an example of some times I have seen track day guys put out. And yes, I am going to do some racing next year.
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trackday guys=racers

I would think that most racers do trackdays and alot of trackday guys race. That being said, the fellas that do 13's or better at BHF are either racers or ex racers(Garth, Drucker, Fedderson). Am I wrong? Oh and doing a 13 once don't count.


Almost forgot the point of the thread.... I have stock suspension front and rear and they work mighty fine for me. Of course it's a stock Ohlins rear shock.

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