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CCS - Fomula 40 ?

Since we're discussing the meatgrinder class in the other thread...

What are your opinions on the Formula-40 class?

I've never raced before, but would like to try it out for at least a few races later this year. I know I'll probably finish dead last, but that's okay...for now. I'm currently in NESBA B-group, but hopefully will be moving up soon if the CR gods deem me worthy I'm taking my LCR class at Road America next month on the 21st.

Things I've learned from reading the CCS/WERA boards:
-I can grid at the back as a P/N until I'm comfortable and won't be a hazard.
-Close passing is part of racing.
-Don't change your line when being passed (unless it goes really bad)

I've always wanted to race, but haven't had the chance in my life until now, so I'm going to mark this off as one of my "to do before I die" items.

I would rather NOT run in the MWSS class, even though I'm on a gsxr-600. Other than Formula-40, what other classes are open to this bike?

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STKR - I'll be doing the same as you... trying a couple of CCS Formula 40 races out as well this year.

Looking forward to seeing everyone elses thoughts on F40. From what I hear... there are some VERY fast riders in F40.

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Ask me in ten years.

From what I've seen..that'd be the best place for you and your bike.

And Ed Key races LW F40..and he's pretty much dominated LW class for the last several years.

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hmmm, I did turn 40 this year.....maybe I should get and SV.....









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Some of the fastest racers at Club events are over 40.

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Ed Key is not human I've seen the results of the last few years, and he is impressive.

My view on Formula-40 is that the riders that are in that class are going to be a mixture of two types...

1. Older, more experienced, riders that will hand your ass to you and laugh about it, and...

2. Older riders, like me, getting a late start on this, and just trying to have some fun before it's too late. All of us laughing about how we had our asses handed to us in the last race.

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Ed Key is not human I've seen the results of the last few years, and he is impressive.
Ed Key is Human, and he can be beat...

In F-40 you will find more courtesy with riders. More than likely you won't get stuffed as much and if you show someone a wheel enough times they will probably let you by. No guarentees though. It is a race environmnet. Just hold your line and be consistant and you'll be Ok in any class. Don't sencond guess yourself, commit to taking that line and hold to it. Don't change your mind at the last second.

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With a basically-stock 600, you can run in the MW, HW, UL classes, and (if you're at least 40), F-40.

F-40 is no less "competitive" than any other class. It's just that the participants are all at least 40!

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someone a wheel enough times they will probably let you by. No guarentees though. It is a race environmnet. Just hold your line and be consistant and you'll be Ok in any class. Don't sencond guess yourself, commit to taking that line and hold to it. Don't change your mind at the last second.
what he said.



If you want to beat Ed Key, your best chance would be on a rainy day.

Seriously tho... he's one of the all-time greats. The man has been winning championships - BIG ones - since shortly after I was born!

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I never intended to say that F40 was not a competetive class...sorry. I was just figuring that with everybody being a little older and more mature, that there might not be as much Rossi-wannabe action with wreckless abandon.

Kim said what I was thinking...Not as much stuffing, and little more courteous overall, even though it is a race and winning is the priority.

I guess my biggest fear is that I might be a hazard to others due to closing speeds seeing how I'm on and older (98), less refined, gixxer. I would hate to think that I was the cause of someone else being injured on the track. I can live with ME hurting ME...just not the other way around.

I'll just try out the F-40 and see how it goes before I get too carried away.

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I wouldn't worry about that - even as slow as I was, I most always had someone to 'play' with... and to finish behind me! It's perfectly fine to be slow... but when you ARE slow, it becomes even more critical to be consistent, smooth and hold your line.

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I never intended to say that F40 was not a competetive class...sorry. I was just figuring that with everybody being a little older and more mature, that there might not be as much Rossi-wannabe action with wreckless abandon.

Kim said what I was thinking...Not as much stuffing, and little more courteous overall, even though it is a race and winning is the priority.

I guess my biggest fear is that I might be a hazard to others due to closing speeds seeing how I'm on and older (98), less refined, gixxer. I would hate to think that I was the cause of someone else being injured on the track. I can live with ME hurting ME...just not the other way around.

I'll just try out the F-40 and see how it goes before I get too carried away.
Everybody sencond guesses themselves. But if you are really not sure about how things will be and you are really nervous. GET MORE SADDLE TIME! And come out and watch a F-40 race. Spend a weekend with us at the track, that way there won't be as many surprises. Do more track days, and take a few extra chances bringing your confidence level up.

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I wouldn't worry about that - even as slow as I was, I most always had someone to 'play' with... and to finish behind me! .
That was usually me! It's a pain to beat a hopped up TLR off the line with an SV650..

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That was usually me! It's a pain to beat a hopped up TLR off the line with an SV650..

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It's a pain to beat a hopped up SV650 off the line with a 250. Actually I can't even beat a 125 off the line
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My TL's aren't 'hopped up'! All three are Supersport-legal.

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You'd have to work pretty hard to get out of the hole faster than a SV on anything. I don't care if you're on a Gixxer 1000. A SV is way too easy to launch out of the hole. Lay on the gas tank and dump the clutch. Keep the front wheel on the ground and try not to run over the guys on 2 - strokes when you're cutting though the grid.

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does F-40 have separate actual races or is it just a points designation? Is there an AM-EX category as well?

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does F-40 have separate actual races or is it just a points designation? Is there an AM-EX category as well?
There are two F-40 races, F40 and Lightweight F40. Usually they run at the same time, with both am and expert. So, in short, there are 4 races going on at the same time, which makes watching and keeping trakc of position pretty much pointless.

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Keep the front wheel on the ground .
I have a problem with that part when I rev it up. I've been just working my way up, launching at slightly higher RPMs each time to get used to it.

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There is F-40 and LW F-40, for the SV crowd. Experts and Amateurs are each scored separately. So... you actually have four races being run at the same time.

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We need to sticky this rule book for people. Here you go Sticky

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There are two F-40 races, F40 and Lightweight F40. Usually they run at the same time, with both am and expert. So, in short, there are 4 races going on at the same time, which makes watching and keeping trakc of position pretty much pointless.
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Come on now all you need is practice son. Hell I have got the hole shot three times in a row in a single race (red flags) Practice practice practice and I have never have burned a clutch out and have used the stock clutch for 2 years of racing.
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You'd have to work pretty hard to get out of the hole faster than a SV on anything. I don't care if you're on a Gixxer 1000. A SV is way too easy to launch out of the hole. Lay on the gas tank and dump the clutch. Keep the front wheel on the ground and try not to run over the guys on 2 - strokes when you're cutting though the grid.


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Come on now all you need is practice son. Hell I have got the hole shot three times in a row in a single race (red flags) Practice practice practice and I have never have burned a clutch out and have used the stock clutch for 2 years of racing.

Speaking of a SV clutch. That motor you sold me, that we rebuilt, it's in my street bike rite now with cams. Same everything. I know you raced on it quite a bit. Cluctch doesn't slip.

About the hole shot, you just have to make sure not to elbow the 2 stroke guys in the back of the head when your blasting past them coming out of the hole.

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Hell I have got the hole shot three times in a row in a single race (red flags)
This is true. Steve has got some killer fucking starts.
















































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