AlpineStars MX-1 vs. Joe Rocket Speedmaster? - Chicagoland Sportbikes
Chicagoland Sportbikes
 
Track Talk This forum is all about discussing riding and setup tips for different types of racetracks. As well as discussion about the local racing scene.

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-27-2006, 09:32 PM Thread Starter
Slow Old Guy.
 
Wink's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SS Barrington
Posts: 17,260
Location: SS Barrington
Sportbike: Inline Two Wheeled
Years Riding: Since the beginning of time
How you found us: Dan Ortega sent me
           
Cool AlpineStars MX-1 vs. Joe Rocket Speedmaster?

Any suggestions? Time to order a higher quality suit than the POS AGV that I have. Not sure I wanna wait for a Vanson or Syed, although I have emails out to both of them. Have an email out to Spidi as well.

Anyhow, gotta love this addiction, it can really chew up the money quickly... ARGHHHH!!!

===========
Great Quote - One would think that the Secret Service was smart enough to get serviced secretly.

MotoVid hasbeen
NESBA hasbeen

CCS neverbeen
WERA neverbeen
Wink is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-27-2006, 10:28 PM
Grid Marshall.
 
Cerk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Naperville
Posts: 29,343
Location: Naperville
Sportbike: Tweener
Years Riding: Do I have to start over now?
How you found us: Followed the Bread Crumbs...
           
Send a message via AIM to Cerk
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wink
Any suggestions? Time to order a higher quality suit than the POS AGV that I have. Not sure I wanna wait for a Vanson or Syed, although I have emails out to both of them. Have an email out to Spidi as well.

Anyhow, gotta love this addiction, it can really chew up the money quickly... ARGHHHH!!!
I don't have any particular experience with those two suits, but i just went from a Joe Rocket Blaster 2.0 Leather jacket to the Alpinestars TZ-1 last week...three years with the JR, and i can tell you the fit and finish of the A* blows the Rocket out of the water...course, i can't speak to the top end JR stuff.

Tom

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tacitus
In a state where corruption abounds, laws must be very numerous.
Cerk is offline  
post #3 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-27-2006, 10:34 PM
I break everything!
 
JonGu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,913
Location: Chicago, IL
Sportbike: SV650S, ZX6R, GSXR600
Years Riding: Since 04/2003
How you found us: Google
           
I had the 2003 JR Speedmaster in a 2 piece suit. I'd say it's a pretty durable suit. Lowsided at 60+ mph in it 3 times and at 10-15mph an additional 3 times. It held up well until my recent crash at Putnam where I finally wore through the elbows. The knee leather is in pretty ragged shape too. So far I haven't been injured at all due to failure of the suit in any way.

The problem areas after my crashes were the seams in the knees, butt, and elbow area busting open, but there was additional stiching so even though the exterior stiches were all gone, the suit still held together. The leather obviously is rashed but again it took 3 high speed and 3 low speed crashes before parts of it finally wore through. Then again I'd say my get-offs have been fairly easy since I haven't hit my head once yet or really had major slides on the pavement.

One thing though, the suit is HEAVY as hell. I switched to a Teknic Speedstar kangaroo suit for this year, and it's a whole lot lighter (obviously not a fair comparison between cowhide and kangaroo though...) I could definately fix my Speedmaster and wear it another season but I wanted a 1 piece. I'll keep the JR Speedmaster for a commuting suit. 2 piece suits don't work with longer back protectors that have a tailbone pad so it's a no go for racing.

Jon Gu
CCS AM/NESBA #276

Last edited by JonGu; 03-27-2006 at 10:36 PM.
JonGu is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 08:31 AM Thread Starter
Slow Old Guy.
 
Wink's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SS Barrington
Posts: 17,260
Location: SS Barrington
Sportbike: Inline Two Wheeled
Years Riding: Since the beginning of time
How you found us: Dan Ortega sent me
           
Been doing some research on the boards, look slike the MX-1 is the better of the two suits, althought the leather is a little thicker in the Speedmaster.

I also have emails out to Spidi, Syed, Bates, Barnacle Bills, and Vanson with regards to pricing. Anyone know ballpark prices for any of the custom suits. I had heard that they aren't that much more expensive than the MX-1. But finding pricing on them is difficult wihtout a call and full measurement from each one. (I have Spidi pricing, I emailed them about a special color combo).

I think Blarney runs a Barnacle Bill, and I know RonHix paid about a $1000-1200 for his Syed.

===========
Great Quote - One would think that the Secret Service was smart enough to get serviced secretly.

MotoVid hasbeen
NESBA hasbeen

CCS neverbeen
WERA neverbeen
Wink is offline  
post #5 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 08:38 AM
Moderator
 
Chills's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Naperville, IL
Posts: 23,640
Location: Naperville, IL
Sportbike: Kawi ZX-10R
Years Riding: Since February 2012
How you found us: NESBA bbs
           
Send a message via Yahoo to Chills
I have a custom Syed suit. I paid about $1200 for it, but it is COMPLETLY custom, even the color pattern. It took a few weeks to get it in but I received it exactly when they said they would.

I switched from a JR 2 piece Speedmaster suit to the Syed. The JR gave great protection... I crashed twice in it at BHF, the 2nd time being a high side coming out of T7. The suit held up great. I went with a custom suit because the JR didn't fit well. Its amazing how much better I feel on a bike with a suit that fits perfectly.

Never a bad time to climb... unless the weather is really horrible, and then you climb inside!

I bleed GREEN

Last edited by Chills; 12-28-2006 at 09:09 AM.
Chills is offline  
post #6 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 08:45 AM Thread Starter
Slow Old Guy.
 
Wink's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SS Barrington
Posts: 17,260
Location: SS Barrington
Sportbike: Inline Two Wheeled
Years Riding: Since the beginning of time
How you found us: Dan Ortega sent me
           
Thanks Chris, so the pricing isn't all that different from getting an MX-1. I wonder if BB and Vanson are around the same price.

===========
Great Quote - One would think that the Secret Service was smart enough to get serviced secretly.

MotoVid hasbeen
NESBA hasbeen

CCS neverbeen
WERA neverbeen
Wink is offline  
post #7 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 09:28 AM
Moderator
 
Chills's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Naperville, IL
Posts: 23,640
Location: Naperville, IL
Sportbike: Kawi ZX-10R
Years Riding: Since February 2012
How you found us: NESBA bbs
           
Send a message via Yahoo to Chills
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wink
Thanks Chris, so the pricing isn't all that different from getting an MX-1. I wonder if BB and Vanson are around the same price.

Exactly. I was going to get a high end off-the-rack suit but after looking around I found that a custom suit was about the same price. I think BB might be a little cheaper than Syed, and I don't know about Vanson.

Never a bad time to climb... unless the weather is really horrible, and then you climb inside!

I bleed GREEN
Chills is offline  
post #8 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 09:56 AM
 
dano5150's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Oswego, IL
Posts: 1,085
Location: Oswego, IL
Sportbike: All kinds.....
Years Riding: motorcycles are dangerous
How you found us: as
           
The Speedmaster suit is the best bang for the buck. (fantastic suit for a retail 999.99)
It's the suit that I wear. It's very durable. The fit is good and I'm real happy with it. Plus I like the Rocket (speedmaster)knee pucks.
Rocket doesn't make a kangaroo suit....kangaroo is good stuff its super lite and super strong BUT it's really hard to fix. Also it's PRICY.
Wink if you want give me a call and I'll blab your ear off about suits...


dano
847-833-8418c
815-544-5800w
post #9 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 10:12 AM
I break everything!
 
JonGu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,913
Location: Chicago, IL
Sportbike: SV650S, ZX6R, GSXR600
Years Riding: Since 04/2003
How you found us: Google
           
Endorsed by Dano has to be a good thing, didn't you crash like 16 times last year?

Jon Gu
CCS AM/NESBA #276
JonGu is offline  
post #10 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 10:16 AM Thread Starter
Slow Old Guy.
 
Wink's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SS Barrington
Posts: 17,260
Location: SS Barrington
Sportbike: Inline Two Wheeled
Years Riding: Since the beginning of time
How you found us: Dan Ortega sent me
           
Got pricing back from Barnacle Bills. He starts around $995 so roughly the same money. DanO...

JAEGERBOMB!!

===========
Great Quote - One would think that the Secret Service was smart enough to get serviced secretly.

MotoVid hasbeen
NESBA hasbeen

CCS neverbeen
WERA neverbeen
Wink is offline  
post #11 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 10:26 AM
 
dano5150's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Oswego, IL
Posts: 1,085
Location: Oswego, IL
Sportbike: All kinds.....
Years Riding: motorcycles are dangerous
How you found us: as
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by JonGu
didn't you crash like 16 times last year?
Ya I'm going to announce my retirement from crashing this year...
hey jon did you get your parts friday? I left Scott from Godfather a message yesterday trying to find out where your body work is.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wink
Got pricing back from Barnacle Bills. He starts around $995 so roughly the same money. DanO...

JAEGERBOMB!!
Not a problem lets do it up....lol
post #12 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 10:30 AM
Registered User
 
Kruz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: West of 59, North of 88
Posts: 18,885
Location: West of 59, North of 88
Sportbike: 05 CRF50
Years Riding: "Since 1992"
How you found us: You found me
           
If you go custom, which is what Id like to do, order soon as they tend to get real busy right about now.

I spoke to BB and Syed over the phone, both answered all my questions to my liking.

I also had the 2 piece Speedmaster from a couple years back and it held up very well to my lowside. It was a bit heavy though and some of the threads were starting to unravel but nothing too bad.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg joerocket2.jpg (17.4 KB, 0 views)
File Type: jpg joerocket1.jpg (25.0 KB, 0 views)
Kruz is offline  
post #13 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 12:11 PM
I break everything!
 
JonGu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,913
Location: Chicago, IL
Sportbike: SV650S, ZX6R, GSXR600
Years Riding: Since 04/2003
How you found us: Google
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by dano5150
Ya I'm going to announce my retirement from crashing this year...
hey jon did you get your parts friday? I left Scott from Godfather a message yesterday trying to find out where your body work is.
Yup, it's all on the bike now. Nice to actually have a left handle bar again

Hopefully that bodywork comes in soon, I'm doing an STT track day at Putnam on April 8/9th and I don't want to be that guy on the bike that doesn't even have a tail section

Jon Gu
CCS AM/NESBA #276
JonGu is offline  
post #14 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 12:17 PM Thread Starter
Slow Old Guy.
 
Wink's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SS Barrington
Posts: 17,260
Location: SS Barrington
Sportbike: Inline Two Wheeled
Years Riding: Since the beginning of time
How you found us: Dan Ortega sent me
           
Side note -

Jon....



Be careful in TURN 4!!

===========
Great Quote - One would think that the Secret Service was smart enough to get serviced secretly.

MotoVid hasbeen
NESBA hasbeen

CCS neverbeen
WERA neverbeen
Wink is offline  
post #15 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 01:05 PM
I break everything!
 
JonGu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,913
Location: Chicago, IL
Sportbike: SV650S, ZX6R, GSXR600
Years Riding: Since 04/2003
How you found us: Google
           
Forget about turn 4, I'm going straight exiting T3 and all the way through the grass into the T8 exit from now on. That's gotta be good for at least another 15 seconds right?

Jon Gu
CCS AM/NESBA #276
JonGu is offline  
post #16 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 01:09 PM
Please pass the trackpipe
 
TheGrouch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Joliet, IL
Posts: 1,061
Location: Joliet, IL
Sportbike: That one^^
Years Riding: ..
How you found us: ?
           
I recall Helmet Harbor not liking the new MX-1 as much as the old SMX-2. The SMX-2 is getting hard to find, though. I'm going that route as soon as I can find a Red 42/52.

http://www.helmetharbor.com/streetcl...ce/opening.htm

Chris
NESBA CR #51
'06 GSXR 600 / '05 CRF250X / '04 CRF 230 / '05 CRF 88

Last edited by TheGrouch; 03-28-2006 at 01:14 PM.
TheGrouch is offline  
post #17 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 04:55 PM
(Trackday) Headcase
 
murf99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New Berlin, WI
Posts: 136
Location: New Berlin, WI
Sportbike: '03 Aprilia RSV-R '04 Aprilia RSV-Factory
Years Riding: Since '01
How you found us: NESBA guys
      
Send a message via AIM to murf99
Leathers

Brian,

I had a 2004 Joe Rocket 1pc Speedmaster for 2 seasons. Very nice and comfy, but very heavy. It maybe 5-7 lbs heavier than my new Dianese.

That extra leather adds up.

I ended up selling it because I lost some weight, and dropped from a 48 to a 46.

Since I didn't crash in it, I cannot comment on it's crashability or repairability. I did use it for 40 some track days, and it didn't visibly wear. Sure smelled by the time I sold it, though!

Trackday suit, thumbs up. If you're concerned about the 7 lbs for racing purposes, I'd look elsewhere.

Todd Murray
CCS #911, NESBA #911 MW CR
murf99 is offline  
post #18 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 05:00 PM Thread Starter
Slow Old Guy.
 
Wink's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SS Barrington
Posts: 17,260
Location: SS Barrington
Sportbike: Inline Two Wheeled
Years Riding: Since the beginning of time
How you found us: Dan Ortega sent me
           
Thanks Murf. Yeah, the extra weight is a concern to me. Where is a good place for me to shop Dainese?

EDIT: I found them on KneeDraggers... which model did you get, there is a LARGE price range.

===========
Great Quote - One would think that the Secret Service was smart enough to get serviced secretly.

MotoVid hasbeen
NESBA hasbeen

CCS neverbeen
WERA neverbeen

Last edited by Wink; 03-28-2006 at 05:05 PM.
Wink is offline  
post #19 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 05:22 PM
I break everything!
 
JonGu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,913
Location: Chicago, IL
Sportbike: SV650S, ZX6R, GSXR600
Years Riding: Since 04/2003
How you found us: Google
           
Have you looked into MotoGP leathers? They've been reviewed favorably on the boards and by a few guys around here, plus by Spyder Leathers. The price is good too, like $800 for a brand new Kangaroo suit. They are real light! Hopefully the kangaroo suits will hold up to a few crashes.

Jon Gu
CCS AM/NESBA #276
JonGu is offline  
post #20 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 05:25 PM
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 350
    
Quote:
Originally Posted by JonGu
Forget about turn 4, I'm going straight exiting T3 and all the way through the grass into the T8 exit from now on. That's gotta be good for at least another 15 seconds right?
Hey, that's the line I take!
danch is offline  
post #21 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 05:26 PM Thread Starter
Slow Old Guy.
 
Wink's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SS Barrington
Posts: 17,260
Location: SS Barrington
Sportbike: Inline Two Wheeled
Years Riding: Since the beginning of time
How you found us: Dan Ortega sent me
           
I have heard that they are lighter, and that the cost is great. KneeDraggers carries them as well. The key is repairs. I understand that they don't reapir that well. Although... Alexa said that they were great bang for the buck.

===========
Great Quote - One would think that the Secret Service was smart enough to get serviced secretly.

MotoVid hasbeen
NESBA hasbeen

CCS neverbeen
WERA neverbeen
Wink is offline  
post #22 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-28-2006, 09:40 PM
Grid Marshall.
 
Cerk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Naperville
Posts: 29,343
Location: Naperville
Sportbike: Tweener
Years Riding: Do I have to start over now?
How you found us: Followed the Bread Crumbs...
           
Send a message via AIM to Cerk
Quote:
Originally Posted by JonGu
Have you looked into MotoGP leathers? They've been reviewed favorably on the boards and by a few guys around here, plus by Spyder Leathers. The price is good too, like $800 for a brand new Kangaroo suit. They are real light! Hopefully the kangaroo suits will hold up to a few crashes.
Grasshopper just got a MotoGP suit, you might try asking him about it...i don't believe the whole thing is constructed from kangaroo however, at least that's what i've heard.

Tom

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tacitus
In a state where corruption abounds, laws must be very numerous.
Cerk is offline  
post #23 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-29-2006, 10:52 AM
Registered User
 
Chunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Chicago
Posts: 13,848
Location: Chicago
Sportbike: I don't ride
How you found us: google
           
You should get a RS Taichi suit. It felt broken in the very first time I put it on. The ventilation/perforation on it is awesome. Feels like I have nothing on when the wind hits you. It costs more than other off the rack suits but it's well worth it. I like them so much that I bought 2 sets.
Chunk is offline  
post #24 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-29-2006, 10:53 AM Thread Starter
Slow Old Guy.
 
Wink's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SS Barrington
Posts: 17,260
Location: SS Barrington
Sportbike: Inline Two Wheeled
Years Riding: Since the beginning of time
How you found us: Dan Ortega sent me
           
Where'd you get 'em Rev?

===========
Great Quote - One would think that the Secret Service was smart enough to get serviced secretly.

MotoVid hasbeen
NESBA hasbeen

CCS neverbeen
WERA neverbeen
Wink is offline  
post #25 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-29-2006, 11:05 AM
Registered User
 
Chunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Chicago
Posts: 13,848
Location: Chicago
Sportbike: I don't ride
How you found us: google
           
Brian... I got them from Darin at RS Taichi North America but he died in a motocross accident soon after shipping my suits to me so I believe other vendors have taken over the distribution. You can get them from Lithium Motorsports, Motoliberty, and a few others. Check out www.rs-taichi.com and it should give you a list of vendors.
Chunk is offline  
post #26 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-29-2006, 11:13 AM
Registered User
 
Kruz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: West of 59, North of 88
Posts: 18,885
Location: West of 59, North of 88
Sportbike: 05 CRF50
Years Riding: "Since 1992"
How you found us: You found me
           
Drucker can get them as well Brian.
Kruz is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Chicagoland Sportbikes forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome