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Ducati First to Unveil 800cc MotoGP Machine

No real news here...just a heads up that testing on these babies has started...my money says a less than perfect year and a new class of machines to conquer keeps Rossi on two wheels.

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Is the rule change gonna help bring back 750 street bikes?

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Is the rule change gonna help bring back 750 street bikes?
Where did they go, bring them back from where?

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Is the rule change gonna help bring back 750 street bikes?

Doubt it. MotoGP bikes are non-production machines. If WSB or AMA racing went to an 800cc engine I'm sure the 750's would return.

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Is the rule change gonna help bring back 750 street bikes?
i doubt it. MotoGP is all one-off racing, they share nothing with production bikes, as a matter of fact, I don't even think they are allowed to share parts with production bikes (but don't quote me on that) so what they run in motoGP will have little effect on what the market will bear in the future for bikes. Think about it this way, it's like if F1 makes a rule change, it has little if any effect on production cars (just like MotoGP, eventually the tech does get filtered down though)

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Doubt it. MotoGP bikes are non-production machines. If WSB or AMA racing went to an 800cc engine I'm sure the 750's would return.

actually some people think this will happen in time, and what the result will be is that the "liter bikes" will become open classers and that you will see the big SS bike at 800cc instead of 1000cc.

I think the reason this might happen, eventually, is how fast the liter bikes are getting, it's only a matter of time before AMA and WSBK has to start to trying to slowing down the liter bikes for rider safety

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actually some people think this will happen in time, and what the result will be is that the "liter bikes" will become open classers and that you will see the big SS bike at 800cc instead of 1000cc.

I think the reason this might happen, eventually, is how fast the liter bikes are getting, it's only a matter of time before AMA and WSBK has to start to trying to slowing down the liter bikes for rider safety
I agree. I think that eventually they'll be doing the same thing FIM is doing with MotoGP.

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Think about it this way, it's like if F1 makes a rule change, it has little if any effect on production cars
Wonder if every other engine will be blowing up in MotoGP too

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I agree. I think that eventually they'll be doing the same thing FIM is doing with MotoGP.
There are two schools of thought regarding displacement and rider's safety. Some say making the engines smaller displacement will slow them down by having less horsepower. Others say it will actually make it less safe since every bike will be tuned for absolute highest horsepower and the smaller displacement will make it more peaky, thus leading to more highsides. The one comment every motojournalist has said about the Duc and Honda is that just how much easier those are to ride fast vs. the 'zuki and Kawi. Should be interesting to say the least, but I can't imagine anybody other than the big 5 staying in it. So, there will probably only be 15 or so teams. Finish the race..get points!

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Others say it will actually make it less safe since every bike will be tuned for absolute highest horsepower and the smaller displacement will make it more peaky, thus leading to more highsides.

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I don't know if I beleve this, in order to believe that, i would think that you would have to believe that they are not tuning the liter bikes for the highest possible horsepower.

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I don't know if I beleve this, in order to believe that, i would think that you would have to believe that they are not tuning the liter bikes for the highest possible horsepower.
Certain ones were...like the Aprilia Cube (not in MotoGP anymore, virtually unrideable from what Edwards said) and the Suzuki (destroys tires halfway through the race). I'm leaning more towards it will slow it down while making it safer, simply because a 250 rwhp bike that you can't ride isn't going to win a race.

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I tend to agree with Grover on this one...a common school of thought on smaller displacement is the one he references making the engine very finicky...also, Team KR gets screwed again ...every time they seem to pull a solid bike together the rules get changed...sucks for 'ole King Kenny.

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I tend to agree with Grover on this one...a common school of thought on smaller displacement is the one he references making the engine very finicky...also, Team KR gets screwed again ...every time they seem to pull a solid bike together the rules get changed...sucks for 'ole King Kenny.
The only reason his team is even making points is because he's got a Honda engine in it (and almost everybody scores points thanks to a bunch of teams pulling out). His chassis is top notch though, since that is the only thing he could do to make the bike faster..his old motors weren't competitive.

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The only reason his team is even making points is because he's got a Honda engine in it (and almost everybody scores points thanks to a bunch of teams pulling out). His chassis is top notch though, since that is the only thing he could do to make the bike faster..his old motors weren't competitive.
Agreed...since the dawning of the four stroker at least...reportedly he had finally developed a competitive two stroke engine...much easier to build obviously...of course that was "reportedly"

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