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Talking Grattangate (The Video, part 1)

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Someone calling themselves Deepthroat mailed me some tapes from a trackday at Grattan attended by several CLSB members last June.

Grattangate Video - part1

More videos to follow - you should all be afraid, be very afraid
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Steve....I have to be on there somewhere since I was the easiest (slowest) to catch on film.
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lol - there is enough on this tape to embarass pretty much everyone (myself included). Don't worry - I'll post more later


I put Ken's 1st cause he's the only one Billy's friend caught running off on tape

By the way - I'm gonna say it now, NO CAMERAS when the 125 takes her maiden voyage w/me
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That's two posts this week Jeff...wow!
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lol - it's mostly work stuff. The only other personal stuff I have on there is:

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hey , i was wondering whats on that clip, now i gotta take the hour or so to download it

it must have been gratten.
STEVE bro PLEASE make me a copy of what ever you got bro..PLEASE

and i think i ran off 2 times that day....once i was duking it out with jeff, and forgot which way the turn went..then i went off by myself PRETTY FUCKEN DEEP...it was i think maybe like turn 6 or something?...you can almost see the whole turns by the end of the parking lot.

well i am gonna download it now.

ill try to see where its at.

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That looks like the sweeper between the bowl and the hairpin, nice bump out of the bowl to lighten your frontend and loads of bumps through sweeper. I suck at the sweeper big time.
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yep thats the one i went deep, i remember that now..ahh yeah my breaks fucked up again NOT


actually...i blew the turn before, and when i had to yank it over i was on the inside so much..i would have ran right threw that sand pile...and i said SCREW that....so it was either low side in the sand, recorrect myself, which i didnt feel i had enough room, or run off...but the tape doeasnt show it..but man i ran deep and down in the grass...held it up all threw it and had 1 hell of a time pushing it out will it was level so i could ride it out.

but yeah i remember that...and man i though by the way you guys made it sound..it was like the whole footage of me

either way....that track was awesome!!!!
just a freaking job and a 1/2 with the 9r!
and i blew the turn before and was set up all wrong
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No way. we got to put one of the little cameras in the front fairing and under the tail so we can see you blowing by all those slow liter bikes just like the other GP pros.

Maybe it will be the other way around.

Better yet, what about full telemetry? Then we can graphically watch the smooth as silk application of power and brakes.

You know, I just realized that you probably have a couple of winners of me on that tape too. I think I'll stop while I'm behind, which is my natural place in the order of things.

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Ken:

How the f did you forget which way the turn went after bombing around all morning? There are only 11 or 12 depending on how you count them. And they are all wide open and easy to see from miles away...

Must have been that crud I had playing on the notebook at lunch that distracted you.

BTW, it looks like #5 to me too. Braking after that bump messed me up a couple of times too. Scared me good once. Maybe #2, but I don't think so.

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Nope, it's #7. I remember the sand just before the apex.

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I think that vid was of T-7 (last righthander before the bowl), at least thats what my brother said (he was on the 900RR following Ken).
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ahh let my broken brain work some here
lets see go flying over that hill right before 5, turn right then i think it went a touch left, then bank right (thats where i messed up) then that turn goes alittle uphill and then down and left, into that bowl?...you call it, where you gotta hit that patch of re-asphalt for a decent line.

well anyway, YES all those turns are plain view...i just messed up...i blew the entry and exit out of 5 and wound up somehow i think on the inside to much...then i would have to flick it over to take it THREW the sand pile to make that corner...i saw i messed up, and i KNEW it was gonna low side it in that sand with the amount of flicking it over and running threw that sand...SO i choose not to.

what can i say, i messed up...i blew a turn.


another turn i messed up that day on...is right at turn 2....right before you gotta turn in before seeing the corner, well it snuck up fast on me..and i went off the track again....i could have swear that guy sitting on the lawn got video of that.



but where you see me going off, behind steve i think it is...that WAS later in the day...and i was getting use to where the corners were ...but i DIDNT spend enough time finding turn in point set break points, etc...i was just out there having fun.

i forgot what i was doing when i borrowed kruz;s lap timer...but if i remember right?
i was running 1:34?

i wonder if that thread is around somewhere...dont know if thats fast or not..but i know i was doing decent after a long day of ass puckering and being a slow poke...but i had a blast...and thanks again steve for doing all that hard work man

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CORRECTION:

i found the post, i was running 136's by the end of the day there.



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I was really making a joke about all the turns being highly visible. That track has more blind turns and is more technical than any other I have been on. Let's see:

Can't see through #1, but it's wide open with lots of grip and a good run off.
Can't see through 2 either.
Forget about seeing any of 3 till you are already cranked over and there is only a couple of feet of good on camber line. I'm always saying to myself that I'm too slow in there, once I get into it, but hitting the blind entrance on the numbers is everything.
4 is ok and just throttle control.
5, not till you are over the hump and you better be already set up. I've had more Oh shits at 5 than anywhere else.
6&7 flow from 5 with reasonable visibility and means that an Oh Shit in 5 messes them up.
bowel 8 good look
Sweeper 9 fair, but the mid point is blind so just aim for the guard rail till you can see the mid turn.
10 fair and I always brake too hard and early for it trying to be smooth.
11 not real good till you get over the little dip past the 10a kink.
12 ok, just look for the white dot, roll on the gas and don't drift too far to the right.

Repeat as necessary. Hmmm, now that I wrote it down it sounds easy. Why the f am I so slow?

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Repeat as necessary. Hmmm, now that I wrote it down it sounds easy. Why the f am I so slow?

Must be that whole "self preservation instinct thing..." LOL. It amazes me just how fast some guys are there. My very best times are around a 1:33 flat, I can see where where I can hack off a few seconds......but to hack off 10???? That would take a set of brass balls.

125cc Lap record (listed by fatbaq.com) 1:23:67 Jeff Chen aboard a RS125R (slicks)

2 wheel Lap record (listed by RRW.com) 1:19.79 by Larry Denning aboard a YZF-R1 (DOT tires)

I would love to see some on-board camera action of that kinda pace @ Grattan!
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It may be blind an technical, but it is fast and laid out well.

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T-5 and 1 are where I could make up tons of time if I had the cohones. I would always downshift into the jump before 5 know full well that I could take the turn way faster. I would brake way too early into 1 as well, though I did get into 1 waaaaaay too deep a couple times. I did love to drag knee in the bowl though, the sound was great! Man that's a great track.

BTW T-11 is the blind right hander just before the front straight, I crashed there in the rain.
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You know at that track, I shorten up where I consider a turn blind. Thinking about it it is blind. I guess I'm going so slow after 10 and the dip. It doesn't bother my slow ass too much. It's that dip that seems to mess me up.

I thought T1 was pretty straight forward and fast, but I run it too slow too.

I know that I'm fucking up t5 and there is major time to be made there. I've had the rear in the air trying different things there and it just gives me the Willies. Mark takes it well. He seems to just let the bike scrub speed by pushing the front and letting it drift in. I know the trick is to do minimal braking and let her slide, but I'm a woosy.

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I had a great 2 wheel slide in the left ess, T-5A. freaked the hell out of me. Good thing that was in open practice!
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Mark takes it well. He seems to just let the bike scrub speed by pushing the front and letting it drift in. I know the trick is to do minimal braking and let her slide, but I'm a woosy.
It's all the bike Bruce! That thing just rails :-) Or as Jim @ 4&6 said..."you just CAN'T highside those things". T5 is tough, it looks like a tight corner on the bike but in reality its pretty fast.


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Yeah, I'm planning on doing the "CLSB Blackhawk ODDY is way cool for organizing it day." I love the little bike, I think I'm going to keep it forever maybe give it to my daughter eventually.
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Yeah it was pretty cool when you let me take her. After I got over worrying about breaking your only toy at the time. I swear I heard sucking sounds from the tires in #3.

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It's all the movable ballast.

Sorry, I couldn' t help myself.

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where is the rest of them??? I want to see kruz pushing his bike around the track!

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Easy Jimbo.....just wait until your first time on a track after crashing. Grattan too boot!
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